Mohamed Katir

bannned i got wrote:

i have no idea how many times i have to repeat the same ordeal

in 2010 monaco "resurfaced" the track and boom instantly it was fake.

now stop being lazy and look up each one of these guys and see how their next best times besides monaco is 2-3 seconds slower...or take andrew wheating, 3:30 and his next best was 3:34

I see they are faster in Monaco, but that doesn’t make any sense as to how or why it is the track that is fake.

How can the track be short for the men’s 1500m but not short for the women?

Why isn’t a resurfaced track producing faster times in other events, from 400m to 5000m for men or for women?

There has to be a better explanation that makes sense why it’s only men’s 1500m.

number 32 wrote:

jiggymeister wrote:

+1

Is this supposed to be evidence of hm being clean? Supposedly being 100% part of the biggest doping culture in Europe?

Has the title of this thread been changed from 'Katir is the most obvious doper ever?' Why?

Maybe it's not supposed to be evidence of anything except that some of the racist and culturally bigoted assumptions used earlier in the discussion are wrong or do not apply to Katir.

bannned i got wrote:

i think the track is short.

5000 WR, and dudes next best times are 12:50s, then only manages 3:36 in a 1500m.

almost every male is 2-3 seconds faster in monaco than the rest of their next bests at any other track. and yes you can look at the 800 and up and see the same issues. its only short in lane 1, so i have asked if anyone could look at people in the 400m who got lane 1 and see if its their PR for the season

Sorry to be a pain, but that’s just it — I looked at 400m and up and did not see the same issues.

Only the mens 1500m.

since i know your too f*cking lazy and a troll i will show you....lets take kiprop (a doper, but arnt they all?)

2010

04 MAR 2010 Melbourne Track Classic, Olympic Park, Melbourne AUSAUS B F 4. 3:43.67

03 APR 2010 Nakuru KCC Meeting, Nakuru KENKEN F F 4. 3:49.4h

23 MAY 2010 Shanghai IAAF Diamond League Meeting, Shanghai Stadium, Shanghai - Diamond Discipline CHNCHN GL F 2. 3:32.22

24 JUN 2010 Nairobi Kenyan Ch., Nairobi KENKEN B H2 2. 3:43.3h

25 JUN 2010 Nairobi Kenyan Ch., Nairobi KENKEN B SF2 1. 3:39.5h

26 JUN 2010 Nairobi Kenyan Ch., Nairobi KENKEN B F 1. 3:33.69

10 JUL 2010 Gateshead AVIVA British Grand Prix, International Stadium, Gateshead - Diamond Discipline GBRGBR GL F 1. 3:33.34

31 JUL 2010 Nairobi African Championships, Nyayo National Stadium, Nairobi KENKEN A H1 1. 3:43.33

01 AUG 2010 Nairobi African Championships, Nyayo National Stadium, Nairobi KENKEN A F 1. 3:36.19

27 AUG 2010 Bruxelles Memorial van Damme, Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles - Diamond Discipline BELBEL GL F 1. 3:32.18

29 AUG 2010 Rieti IAAF World Challenge, Stadio Guidobaldi, Rieti ITAITA B F 1. 3:31.78

04 SEP 2010 Split IAAF/VTB Bank Continental Cup, Poljud Stadion, Split CROCRO GW F 6. 3:38.81

best is 3:31.78 not at monaco

2011

03 MAR 2011 Melbourne Track Classic, Olympic Park, Melbourne AUSAUS B F 2. 3:37.63

16 APR 2011 Kisii KENKEN F F 5. 3:46.0h

15 MAY 2011 Shanghai Samsung Diamond League, Shanghai Stadium, Shanghai - Diamond Discipline CHNCHN GL F 2. 3:31.76

04 JUN 2011 Eugene Prefontaine Classic, Hayward Field, Eugene, OR - Split times USAUSA F F 3:35.49

09 JUN 2011 Oslo ExxonMobil Bislett Games, Bislett Stadion, Oslo - Split times NORNOR F F 3:36.34

08 JUL 2011 Paris Meeting AREVA, Paris - Diamond Discipline FRAFRA GL F 2. 3:33.04

14 JUL 2011 Nairobi Kenyan Ch., Nairobi KENKEN B H4 1. 3:44.4h

15 JUL 2011 Nairobi Kenyan Ch., Nairobi KENKEN B SF2 1. 3:39.5h

16 JUL 2011 Nairobi Kenyan Ch., Nairobi KENKEN B F 2. 3:32.26

29 JUL 2011 Stockholm DN Galan, Olympiastadion, Stockholm - Diamond Discipline SWESWE GL F1 2. 3:34.42

30 AUG 2011 Daegu IAAF World Championships, DS, Daegu KORKOR OW H2 1. 3:41.22

01 SEP 2011 Daegu IAAF World Championships, DS, Daegu KORKOR OW SF2 1. 3:36.75

03 SEP 2011 Daegu IAAF World Championships, DS, Daegu KORKOR OW F 1. 3:35.69

08 SEP 2011 Zürich Weltklasse, Letzigrund, Zürich - Diamond Discipline SUISUI GL F 7. 3:34.89

10 SEP 2011 Rieti IAAF World Challenge, Stadio Guidobaldi, Rieti ITAITA B F 1. 3:30.46

best is 3:30.46 not at monaco

2012

02 MAR 2012 Melbourne Track Classic, Albert Park, Melbourne AUSAUS E F 5. 3:42.52

11 MAY 2012 Doha IAAF Diamond League Meeting, Suhaim bin Hamad Stadium, Doha - Diamond Discipline QATQAT GL F 2. 3:29.78

02 JUN 2012 Eugene Prefontaine Classic, Hayward Field, Eugene, OR - Split times USAUSA GL F1 3:35.15

23 JUN 2012 Nairobi Kenyan Olympic Trials, Nairobi KENKEN B F 3. 3:38.3h

20 JUL 2012 Monaco Herculis, Stade Louis II, Monaco - Diamond Discipline MONMON GL F 1. 3:28.88

03 AUG 2012 London Olympic Games, Olympic Stadium, London GBRGBR OW H1 3. 3:36.59

05 AUG 2012 London Olympic Games, Olympic Stadium, London GBRGBR OW SF1 2. 3:42.92

07 AUG 2012 London Olympic Games, Olympic Stadium, London GBRGBR OW F 12. 3:43.83

07 SEP 2012 Bruxelles Memorial Van Damme, Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles - Diamond Discipline BELBEL GL F 5. 3:32.88

best time 3:29.78 non monaco

3:28.88 monaco

2013

10 MAY 2013 Doha IAAF Diamond League Meeting, Suhaim bin Hamad Stadium, Doha - Promotional Events QATQAT GL F 1. 3:31.13

18 MAY 2013 Shanghai IAAF Diamond League Meeting, Shanghai Stadium, Shanghai - Diamond Discipline CHNCHN GL F 1. 3:32.39

01 JUN 2013 Eugene Prefontaine Classic, Hayward Field, Eugene, OR - Split times USAUSA F F 3:34.87

13 JUL 2013 Nairobi Kenyan World Ch. Trials, Nairobi KENKEN F F 2. 3:33.8h

19 JUL 2013 Monaco Herculis, Stade Louis II, Monaco - Promotional Events MONMON GL F 1. 3:27.72

14 AUG 2013 Moskva IAAF World Championships, Luzhniki, Moskva RUSRUS OW H1 1. 3:38.15

16 AUG 2013 Moskva IAAF World Championships, Luzhniki, Moskva RUSRUS OW SF1 1. 3:43.30

18 AUG 2013 Moskva IAAF World Championships, Luzhniki, Moskva RUSRUS OW F 1. 3:36.28

22 AUG 2013 Stockholm DN Galan, Olympiastadion, Stockholm - Diamond Discipline SWESWE GL F1 6. 3:35.49

29 AUG 2013 Zürich Weltklasse, Letzigrund, Zürich - Diamond Discipline SUISUI GL F 6. 3:33.78

best time 3:29.78 non monaco

best time that year 3:31.13

3:27.72 monaco

2014

26 APR 2014 Nairobi KENKEN F F 1. 3:36.55

09 MAY 2014 Doha IAAF Diamond League, Suhaim bin Hamad Stadium, Doha - Diamond Discipline QATQAT GL F 1. 3:29.18

31 MAY 2014 Eugene Prefontaine Classic, Hayward Field, Eugene, OR - Split times USAUSA F F1 3:34.32

05 JUN 2014 Roma Golden Gala - Pietro Mennea, Stadio Olimpico, Roma - Diamond Discipline ITAITA GL F 3. 3:31.89

07 JUN 2014 Nairobi Kenyan Ch., Nairobi KENKEN B F DNF

18 JUL 2014 Monaco Herculis, Stade Louis II, Monaco - Diamond Discipline MONMON GL F 2. 3:28.45

13 AUG 2014 Marrakesh African Championships, Le Grande Stade, Marrakesh MARMAR GL H2 1. 3:43.87

14 AUG 2014 Marrakesh African Championships, Le Grande Stade, Marrakesh MARMAR GL F 2. 3:42.58

05 SEP 2014 Bruxelles Memorial Van Damme, Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles - Diamond Discipline BELBEL GL F 12. 3:34.41

13 SEP 2014 Marrakesh IAAF Continental Cup, Le Grande Stade, Marrakesh MARMAR GL F 2. 3:49.10

3:29.18 (new PR for non monaco)

3:28.45 monaco

2015

22 MAY 2015 Eldoret KENKEN F H5 1. 3:36.9h

30 MAY 2015 Eugene Prefontaine Classic, Hayward Field, Eugene, OR - Split times USAUSA F F1 3:37.69

11 JUN 2015 Oslo ExxonMobil Bislett Games, Bislett Stadion, Oslo - Split times NORNOR F F 3:36.93

17 JUL 2015 Monaco Herculis, Stade Louis II, Monaco - Promotional Events MONMON GL F 1. 3:26.69

01 AUG 2015 Nairobi Kenyan World Championship Trials, Nairobi KENKEN F F 1. 3:34.03

27 AUG 2015 Beijing IAAF World Championships, National Stadium, Beijing CHNCHN OW H2 1. 3:38.97

28 AUG 2015 Beijing IAAF World Championships, National Stadium, Beijing CHNCHN OW SF1 1. 3:43.48

30 AUG 2015 Beijing IAAF World Championships, National Stadium, Beijing CHNCHN OW F 1. 3:34.40

03 SEP 2015 Zürich Weltklasse, Letzigrund, Zürich - Diamond Discipline SUISUI GL F 1. 3:35.79

3:29.18 (new PR for non monaco)

3:26.69 monaco

2016

06 MAY 2016 Doha IAAF Diamond League, Suhaim bin Hamad Stadium, Doha - Diamond Discipline QATQAT GL F 1. 3:32.15

28 MAY 2016 Eugene Prefontaine Classic, Hayward Field, Eugene, OR - Split times USAUSA F F1 3:37.47

05 JUN 2016 Birmingham British Athletics GP, Alexander Stadium, Birmingham - Diamond Discipline GBRGBR GL F 1. 3:29.33

09 JUN 2016 Oslo ExxonMobil Bislett Games, Bislett Stadion, Oslo - Split times NORNOR F F 3:35.49

01 JUL 2016 Eldoret Kenyan Olympic Trials, Eldoret KENKEN F F 1. 3:38.21

15 JUL 2016 Monaco Herculis, Stade Louis II, Monaco - Diamond Discipline MONMON GL F 6. 3:32.03

16 AUG 2016 Rio de Janeiro Olympic Games, Estádio Olímpico, Rio de Janeiro BRABRA OW H1 1. 3:38.97

18 AUG 2016 Rio de Janeiro Olympic Games, Estádio Olímpico, Rio de Janeiro BRABRA OW SF1 1. 3:39.73

20 AUG 2016 Rio de Janeiro Olympic Games, Estádio Olímpico, Rio de Janeiro BRABRA OW F 6. 3:50.87

09 SEP 2016 Bruxelles Memorial Van Damme, Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles - Diamond Discipline BELBEL GW F 3. 3:31.87

claimed he was in WR shape, but then did his flail from monaco and olympics (most likely a silent ban)

3:29.18 (new PR for non monaco)

best that year 3:31.87

you can do this for all the guys who have all the sudden run sub 3:30 since the "fake" track was put in

so in the end we have

3:29.18 (new PR for non monaco)

3:26.69 monaco

a difference of 2.49 seconds, as i said 2-3 seconds difference

kiplagat

best non monaco PR : 11 MAY 2012 Doha IAAF Diamond League Meeting, Suhaim bin Hamad Stadium, Doha - Diamond Discipline QATQAT GL F 1. 3:29.63

monaco PR : 18 JUL 2014 Monaco Herculis, Stade Louis II, Monaco - Diamond Discipline MONMON GL F 1. 3:27.64

difference of 1.99 seconds

lets use coevetts favorite whiteboy pre norway

nick willis

real PR

08 SEP 2013 Rieti IAAF World Challenge, Stadio Guidobaldi, Rieti ITAITA B F 4. 3:32.57

fake PR

1500 Metres 3:29.66 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 17 JUL 2015 NR 1250

difference of 2.91

bannned i got wrote:

lets use coevetts favorite whiteboy pre norway

nick willis

real PR

08 SEP 2013 Rieti IAAF World Challenge, Stadio Guidobaldi, Rieti ITAITA B F 4. 3:32.57

fake PR

1500 Metres 3:29.66 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 17 JUL 2015 NR 1250

difference of 2.91

this monaco track thing isn't actually great trolling because it doesn't lampoon the corrupt/self important/powerful, it's just going to take a bit of the excitement out of the sport for blameless gullible fans.

once again for those at the back: it's a fast, well sheltered track and monaco is a literal tax-haven - the meet chooses to create the conditions for fast distance running by getting the best athletes and best pacers.

there's not much money in elite track/running. it's easy enough to set up world class performances if you have the money; look at nike and kipchoge over the marathon.

800m

amel tuka

real PR

11 JUL 2015 Madrid Meeting 2015, Moratalaz, Madrid ESPESP B F1 1. 1:43.84

monaco

17 JUL 2015 Monaco Herculis, Stade Louis II, Monaco - Diamond Discipline MONMON GL F 1. 1:42.51

dude was mostly a 1:44 high 1:45 low guy

how the hell did he smash his PR sooooo huge in monaco?

faith kipyegon

real PR

28 MAY 2016 Eugene Prefontaine Classic, Hayward Field, Eugene, OR - Diamond Discipline USAUSA GL F 1. 3:56.41

monaco

10 JUN 2021 Golden Gala Pietro Mennea, Stadio Luigi Ridolfi, Firenze - Diamond Discipline ITAITA GW F 2. 3:53.91

she had a number of other 3:56-57 races through the years, but then she pounded out a 2.5 drop just cause she finally went to monaco

bannned i got wrote:

since i know your too f*cking lazy and a troll i will show you....lets take kiprop (a doper, but arnt they all?)

That’s great work and all, but it doesn’t really answer “why it is the track”.

Looking outside the men’s 1500m, there are many counter-examples of fast times outside of Monaco.

Siffan Hassan ran fast at Monaco, and Firenze, and Ad-Dawhah.

If you don’t understand the question, and can’t really explain why only the men’s 1500m is exclusive, I don’t see the point of continuing.

Bye.