IF we found out the origin of COVID was a leak from a Chinese lab, what should be done?

facts and reason wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Nothing about Darwin's supposed political views discredit his scientific contribution.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/20/darwins-theories-warped-racism-sexism-claims-princeton-expert/

"“Darwin portrayed Indigenous peoples of the Americas and Australia as less than Europeans in capacity and behavior,” Prof Fuentes says.

“Peoples of the African continent were consistently referred to as cognitively depauperate, less capable, and of a lower rank than other races.”"

You "suppose" that Darwin had racist ideas when Professor Fuentes says that he did in fact have racist writings.

You don't disavow these or criticize Darwin for being racist. This makes you a tacit supporter of racism. Critical race theory is against Darwin.

This is hilarious. You are a racist denier by using the word "supposed".

As I mentioned earlier, Darwin being racist by today’s standards is utterly surprising. We can presume that would hold for almost every historical scientist that I am aware of.

That certainly does not detract from his work with finches and the theory that came from it.

On a largely unrelated note: I will also say that with historical figures the more reasonable question is how did their beliefs compare to the common beliefs of the time. Darwin was an abolitionist. He also believe that humans all came from a common gene pool.

That puts him closer to our current understanding than the norm for his time.

I like and embrace skepticism. In an increasingly deceitful culture, questions must be asked about what we see, hear and read.

What amazes me about the conversations I've had about this subject with well-educated Progressives/RINOs is how self-assured they are of the Wuhan Virus not coming from a lab. It is as though they must maintain a front against asking questions that run contrary to the official narrative.

The more I see of this, the more I believe some people are just simply wired to be follower/serfs/subjects. It's in their DNA to believe what they are told even if it's a lie (BLM, gender wage gap, Palestine is a country, etc) no matter how well credentialed they are (MS/PHD/ivy, etc).

Harambe wrote:

Is this supposed to turn into a gotcha where you say "HA Darwin was actually RACIST you leftist!"

"Therefore, if you believe in evolution, you must be a RACIST!"

I have an uncomfortable feeling that it's getting there.

I am a genius on the level of Rojo. Called this 100%.

Evolution is true. We can operate with those facts regardless of Darwin's other beliefs.

Facts and Reason, do you think evolution is not a real process?

Funny how we'll see the libs change their tune now on whether COVID came from a lab or not. Just goes to show how much power the media has.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/26/biden-orders-us-intelligence-to-intensify-investigation-into-covid-19-origins.html

Harambe wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Is this supposed to turn into a gotcha where you say "HA Darwin was actually RACIST you leftist!"

"Therefore, if you believe in evolution, you must be a RACIST!"

I have an uncomfortable feeling that it's getting there.

I am a genius on the level of Rojo. Called this 100%.

Evolution is true. We can operate with those facts regardless of Darwin's other beliefs.

Facts and Reason, do you think evolution is not a real process?

And he still went and said the dumb stuff! Does he really have that little self awareness?

Also does he really think the theory of evolution wouldn’t exist without Darwin?

The same "Intelligence" apparatus which led the US spending 2 Trillion (with a Capital "T") dollars on the Iraq war based on erroneous reports of (non-existent) WMDs... Check back in 90 days for the punchline to this joke.

BLM!! wrote:

Funny how we'll see the libs change their tune now on whether COVID came from a lab or not. Just goes to show how much power the media has.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/26/biden-orders-us-intelligence-to-intensify-investigation-into-covid-19-origins.html

Putting aside debate on whether Darwin was racist, it's irrefutable his efforts revolutionized biology, genetics, and, indirectly, philosophy. One cannot judge historic figures by modern, Western standards, as these mores are not universal nor consistent through time. People of the past are products of their environment - not soothsayers who might abnormally adhere to varying ethics of distant lands or distant future. This precept is expertly covered E H Carr's "What Is History".

2600 bro wrote:

Harambe wrote:

I am a genius on the level of Rojo. Called this 100%.

Evolution is true. We can operate with those facts regardless of Darwin's other beliefs.

Facts and Reason, do you think evolution is not a real process?

And he still went and said the dumb stuff! Does he really have that little self awareness?

Also does he really think the theory of evolution wouldn’t exist without Darwin?

"Facts and reason" - such a misnomer! - is unable to differentiate between social attitudes and science.

I know that for many posters, Trump = lie... but this is a very interesting quote from back on April 30, 2020.

Trump did not mince words at a White House event on Thursday when asked if he had seen evidence that gave him a “high degree of confidence” the virus came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

“Yes, yes I have,” he said, declining to give specifics. “I can’t tell you that. I’m not allowed to tell you that."

I remember hearing this back a year ago and thinking, "That's odd. He's the President. Why can't he tell us something... unless?"

I didn't think of it at the time, but I think I know now.

My guess is that we have an informant or informants in the Wuhan Institute of Virology or something very closely related to it. He or she is still there. We can't say, "Well, we know because our spy, Sally, told us about GOF research and some people getting sick weeks before the big outbreak."

It's likely that "Sally" didn't work directly with SARS-CoV-2, but heard about it from other scientists so it still wouldn't be hard evidence.

I'm pretty sure that this 90-day investigation will just be another whitewash.

BLM!! wrote:

Funny how we'll see the libs change their tune now on whether COVID came from a lab or not. Just goes to show how much power the media has.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/26/biden-orders-us-intelligence-to-intensify-investigation-into-covid-19-origins.html

Not a single (real) response to this. (The one with obvious deflection to the Iraq War out of all things doesn't count.) I'm still waiting to hear whether anyone who questions whether the origins were in a lab are just 'conspiracy theorists'? Is Uncle Joe included in this?

For the record, I have never thought it originated in a lab, but the 180 certain folks are about to do will be entertaining.

You won't get an answer wrote:

Not a single (real) response to this. (The one with obvious deflection to the Iraq War out of all things doesn't count.) I'm still waiting to hear whether anyone who questions whether the origins were in a lab are just 'conspiracy theorists'? Is Uncle Joe included in this?

For the record, I have never thought it originated in a lab, but the 180 certain folks are about to do will be entertaining.

I'm kinda a 'lib' (I guess...) but I have said that a lab leak is possible, maybe even likely, since at least last summer.

The pushback against the lab leak hypothesis was dumb, but the victory lapping from people without a dog in the fight is also dumb.

If the enquiry concludes the COVID 19 likely originated from or was altered in a lab, it could impact tort law outcomes for contract disputes relating to Force Majuere “Act of God” clauses.

A lab-altered virus ,or deliberate or negligent release, could exclude determination of pandemic impact as Act of God.

What this pandemic has brought to light is that the CCP cannot be trusted on their word. They covered up the outbreak (which likely came from their lab), they created poor vaccines that they leveraged for diplomatic purposes to secure trade concessions from needy countries and those vaccines (which made unverified efficiency claims) are tied to outbreaks in countries like Seychelles, Bahrain, etc. Take a look at Bahrain:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/bahrain/

They have given 234.79 shots per 100 population (primarily Sinopharm) starting in November and their deaths continue to grow exponentially. Now they are giving people a third shot of Sinopharm with the hopes that the third time is the charm.

joed|rt wrote:

What this pandemic has brought to light is that the CCP cannot be trusted on their word. They covered up the outbreak (which likely came from their lab), they created poor vaccines that they leveraged for diplomatic purposes to secure trade concessions from needy countries and those vaccines (which made unverified efficiency claims) are tied to outbreaks in countries like Seychelles, Bahrain, etc. Take a look at Bahrain:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/bahrain/

They have given 234.79 shots per 100 population (primarily Sinopharm) starting in November and their deaths continue to grow exponentially. Now they are giving people a third shot of Sinopharm with the hopes that the third time is the charm.

Did people trust China before this?

Hasn't "Chinese made" always been synonymous with cheap but poor quality?

I guess the Xi Jinping era has given us a more brash China so people care now?

letsrun is rife with incels and imbeciles, it is a haven for alt-right racist russian trolls

why is that?

You can't be the "good guy" without a "bad guy". American hegemony and grandiose narcissism repeatedly villainizes foreign peoples/nations; Irish, Polish, Ukrainians, Italians, Germans, Russians, French, Arabs... you name it. Asians have taken turns in the cross hairs. Japanese were "Nips". Koreans and Vietnamese "Gooks". Chinese were "Chinks" And most recently, the Chinese people have again become America's punching bags. America just weathered four years of a President relentlessly blaming and exorcising China. It's not surprising xenophobic hate crime and mistreatment of Asians is spiking. With a new administration, we resuscitated observance of National Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month. And rightly so - American issues with China are with CCP policy, not a billion plus people.

facts and reason wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Nothing about Darwin's supposed political views discredit his scientific contribution.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/20/darwins-theories-warped-racism-sexism-claims-princeton-expert/

"“Darwin portrayed Indigenous peoples of the Americas and Australia as less than Europeans in capacity and behavior,” Prof Fuentes says.

“Peoples of the African continent were consistently referred to as cognitively depauperate, less capable, and of a lower rank than other races.”"

You "suppose" that Darwin had racist ideas when Professor Fuentes says that he did in fact have racist writings.

You don't disavow these or criticize Darwin for being racist. This makes you a tacit supporter of racism. Critical race theory is against Darwin.

This is hilarious. You are a racist denier by using the word "supposed".

Let's be clear here, Darwin's "racist" beliefs can be summed up as there are objective differences between the races. I get it, that's an uncomfortable thing to think about because then you could objectively say one group is better than the other, but that just means we should judge each other as individuals and not as members of a group (something leftists also view as wrong, because they actually seek more racism against whites). It's not inherently wrong to view races as different than each other, it just matters how you act towards others, and in that vein Darwin was certainly not a true racist since he was an active opponent against slavery during a time when slavery was not prohibited. I also never recollect Darwin saying we need to keep races separate or that the "inferior races" need to be eradicated, just that they were different in their evolution.

You may think saying one race is different (I use this term, because "inferior/superior" is a value judgement, and I am sure Darwin would agree that value judgements are subjective and contextual) from another is racist, but no amount of screeching leftists are going to change whether it's true or not.

In Darwin's time we had a purely phenotypic/cultural definition of race (skin color/birthplace).

These days we have genetic information that shows there's is significantly more variation within members of the same phenotypic "race" that between "races" themselves.

So... what is race? At best it is genetically highly noisy grouping of people by skin color... with little predictive value.

Because of this it makes much more sense to discuss race in a cultural rather than genetic context. But that would invalidate your innate differences claim...

China Flu wrote:

Could we fairly call it the “China Flu” in that case?

Did they ever rename the Spanish flu the Kansas flu once the most likely origin was discovered?