8 fully vaccinated NY Yankees players have covid (+14 days post vaccine)

Oh no they're gonna die!

Oh wait, MLB players, under 50, reasonably healthy. Never mind.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Oh no they're gonna die!

Oh wait, MLB players, under 50, reasonably healthy. Never mind.

Less than 2600 MLB players, to boot

jamb inn wrote:

So for Polio, if you get the vaccine should you expect not to get polio, or just polio 'lite'

No, the polio vaccine, if you get the injection, is 90% effective after 2 doses and 99% effective after 3 doses. But, they don't know how long that immunity lasts. However, if you are the 1% (or 10%) you can still get it (or if your immunity stopped working), but remember 70% of people who get polio show no symptoms, another 25% have minor symptoms, and it's only the other 5% with bad cases who may develop paralysis (like 0.5% of cases).

The way vaccination works though, is that each individual is protected not just by the vaccine, but by everyone else getting the vaccine. If people aren't getting sick, then there is nobody to spread the virus. So, if you are the 1% who doesn't develop adequate antibodies to fight off the virus, the way you are protected is that the other 99% of the people are, so the virus just isn't around to be spread to you. The eventually it can be eradicated, and then you never have to worry about getting polio.

But - yes - even if you've been vaccinated against polio, I would recommend that you do not hang around with people who have polio and if you do want to visit Pakistan or Afghanistan, where the Type 1 strain still exists, get a booster just to be safe.

jamin wrote:

Ivyguy wrote:

PLUS the more people who are infected, the more opportunities there are for the virus to mutate.

What do you mean by "infected"? Vaccinated people still become infected. We don't know exactly how less likely, if at all, one is to become infected if one has been vaccinated. That will become known over the long-term, years. People are simple-minded and think "95% effective = 5% of experiencing COVID-19". Ummm ... no. If COVID-19 becomes this endemic situation that many experts predict, you are virtually guaranteed to get in the next decade even if you're getting your regularly scheduled booster shots of 95% effectiveness.

Statistically, the difference between supposed 95% effectiveness of some COVID-19 vaccines and the average 50% effectiveness of seasonal flu vaccines is erased after a few years, especially considering that COVID-19 is many more times contagious to begin with.

Mutations happen when the virus reproduces which is to say reproduction rate and mutation rate are expected to be proportionally related.

All else being equal the virus will reproduce more times in an unvaccinated person (while their natural immune response winds up) than it will in an vaccinated person whose immune system has a head start. So from first principles vaccines slow the rate of mutations.

xchamp516 wrote:

Stupid retards on this message board seem to think getting a vaccine puts up some sort of physical barrier in your nose and throat to stop the virus from getting in. Are you all really that thick?

I guess it's hard for the rest of us to understand, but my understanding is that when these low IQ, easily manipulated guys [Steve, Unkle, Sham, Jamin, Wazzu, etc] are backed into a corner after months of denying, fear mongering and conspiratory suppositions you reach for whatever baseless and easily disproved claims you can find.

They see themselves as carrying the torch for free speech, independent thought, "critical thinking" etc etc, but they're really just slowly putting on clown makeup and inching closer their next act.

jamb inn wrote:

So for Polio, if you get the vaccine should you expect not to get polio, or just polio 'lite'

That's essentially right.

If you inoculate active polio virus into two persons, one vaccinated and the other not, they both have an equivalent polio infection at the outset. The vaccine does not prevent inoculation, it mitigates uncontrolled reproduction of the virus, generally to the point where the vaccinated person experiences no symptoms and does not carry enough virus to be particularly contagious.

If 8 tested positive and only one has any symptoms that means the vaccine is actually working right. Testing positive just means they found some virus in their spit, not even necessarily viable virus, not that they are sick. Really this is just an example of the hazards of over-testing

Which strain did they get?

B1.617?

Tucker Carlson shredded the vaccine madness. Incredible commentary! DESTROYED Fauci.

Its official. Cloth masks do more harm than good! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=014O-UnF9Yw

I don't care, covid is over, time to move on

It’s a casedemic unless the report Ct values.

Seriously though, the vaccine doesn’t magically prevent virus from being in your nose. The viral loads in breakthrough infections are usually quite low and unlikely to transmit.

This is what the deniers where whining about with PCR testing for months, except it actually applies now. Back then, most cases became or were symptomatic and transmissible so sensitive testing was smart.

Under a vaccination regime, most cases will be asymptomatic and far, far less transmissible (probably not at all) so there may, at last, be oversensitivity in the tests.

Kary Mullis is vindicated!!111

Stats are something like 90 million vaccinated with 3 different vaccines the 50? Yankee franchise employees all had JJ vaccine with 66% efficacy. About 10,000 known cases of covid positive in the US post vaccine. Does seem a bit high rate for 8 out of 50 or so but again, someone might crunch the numbers better on national JJ versus the 10,000known post vax cases.

120 million vaxed

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of kids in India that developed polio and died due to Gates and his "vaccinate India against polio" campaign some years back. Sheesh.

Runningart2004 wrote:

Number of vaccinated is in the millions. I'll take 8...or hundreds or even thousands.

It's not meant to make you immune, it's not that kind of vaccine, it's only meant to reduce chance of contracting and reduce symptoms.

Alan

They are all on the same team dude. That said, are they sick. This really highlights the stupidity of the tests the world has been using. Virus on you or in your mucus is not necessarily indicative of infection. Presence does not equal infection. The vaccines mitigate illness, they do no ward off the actual virus from finding you, of course unless they actually are micro rf emitters intended from mind control.

Harambe wrote:

It’s a casedemic unless the report Ct values.

Seriously though, the vaccine doesn’t magically prevent virus from being in your nose. The viral loads in breakthrough infections are usually quite low and unlikely to transmit.

This is what the deniers where whining about with PCR testing for months, except it actually applies now. Back then, most cases became or were symptomatic and transmissible so sensitive testing was smart.

Under a vaccination regime, most cases will be asymptomatic and far, far less transmissible (probably not at all) so there may, at last, be oversensitivity in the tests.

Kary Mullis is vindicated!!111

I will admit, this is the first time you have ever made sense.

xchamp516 wrote:

Stupid retards on this message board seem to think getting a vaccine puts up some sort of physical barrier in your nose and throat to stop the virus from getting in. Are you all really that thick?

/\/\/\

This. And yes, a good number of them really are that thick, and the others are just being obtuse as a way of trolling.

I'm actually shocked at how many people in real life I've had to explain this too. It seems like over 50% of the country thinks that vaccine somehow blocks airborne viruses from ever even entering your body. Like you become that chick in the Fantastic Four with some invisible force field that zaps viruses on contact.

Harambe wrote:

This is what the deniers where whining about with PCR testing for months, except it actually applies now

You believe things when it suits you and deny them when it doesn't. You're a mindless clown.

Nobody likes you.