Insanity at Amherst

Well, that changes things a little, doesn't it? It's possible that all students, as a condition of their returning to campus, agreed NOT to do precisely that.

And it wasn't Amherst College, but UMASS AT AMHERST. That changes things too, doesn't it?

So you actually think that not wearing a mask off-campus for a non-lethal virus (young age cohorts) is equivalent to doing 85 in a 55 without a seatbelt? Liberals live in a world of permanent distortion of risk and reality.

Lhotse wrote:

So you actually think that not wearing a mask off-campus for a non-lethal virus (young age cohorts) is equivalent to doing 85 in a 55 without a seatbelt? Liberals live in a world of permanent distortion of risk and reality.

It's a virus, so it's viral you know. Even if it's non-lethal for them, it might not be for others.

Doing 85 on most major highways is not dangerous and not a risk unless you are weaving through lots of traffic. The seatbelt thing is not exactly equivalent, it was just to say that if they'd taken this photo with masks I doubt the punishment would be so severe.

I will on record here saying they should let these students take their finals and get credits. But that being said, the argument that they were wrong to get punished falls apart and in that FOX News panel you can tell the Dad is probably the only one looking at it from a realistic POV. They screwed up majorly in a self-sabotaging way. Forget your politics of mask-wearing and outdoors. I probably agree with it. That being said, don't blatantly ignore and document yourself breaking school rules and then complain you didn't know the consequences after. You can complain the punishment is draconian, which everyone probably agrees with.

Question: Can college students catch the virus and transmit it to older people who are at risk of death or long-term debilitation from the virus? Even Jayson Tatum has had to use an inhaler since he got COVID months ago.

COVID is not a measurable risk outdoors for incidental contact, but for large gatherings and parties, it is probably measurable. It turns out that studies concerning outdoor transmission were including indoor transmission by overly broad definitions and including a bunch of likely indoor cases of construction workers in Singapore, oddly. The buildings were considered indoor-outdoor, as were many other institutions, so where transmission took place indoors (and the construction workers caught COVID well after the shell of the building had been completed, so that they were working indoors), much exaggerating outdoor risks. I went on the basis of the youth soccer study of 65,000 kids where only one possible outdoor transmission of COVID took place, so that it was clear to me that outdoor transmission was highly unlikely except with real contact sports like football, or possibly with close, loud conversations as might take place at parties. But masks make an enormous difference indoors and we should limit contact indoors and time there until vaccinated.

Hinckley Bear wrote:

If the choice is a former President who supports insurrection or little Amherst College and some meaningless policy, I fear the President much, much more.

...that...isn't a choice?

We need an updated version of Godwin's Law that relates to all online debate eventually leading to "well at least it's not Trump."

fully-vaxxed, anti-masked wrote:

Hinckley Bear wrote:

If the choice is a former President who supports insurrection or little Amherst College and some meaningless policy, I fear the President much, much more.

...that...isn't a choice?

We need an updated version of Godwin's Law that relates to all online debate eventually leading to "well at least it's not Trump."

Trump has definitely replaced Hitler as the preferred leftist rhetorical bogeyman. The right can't use Biden the same way as it is obvious he is just a doddering sockpuppet for undisclosed power and control players.

This is all true. It's also naive to think that if you put together hundreds of college students together in an outdoor party involving alcohol that they will all make responsible decisions and a) fraternize only with their household b) keep it all indoors c) wear a mask through all these interactions.

Below you are some of the "crazy libs" type people. I agree Trump is a boogeyman to some people, but what exactly do these people hate Biden for? Trying to raise low corporate tax rates that disproportionately benefit the super-rich? Taxing the ultra-wealthy more? Pushing for more universal health care? Raising the minimum wage? Fighting climate change?

Don't see much scary or evil about any of that.

fully-vaxxed, anti-masked wrote:

masshole wrote:

Agreed. Fortunately there is data to support what I did. Science! You’re welcome.

Please cite your data showing Covid spreading outdoors among pedestrians was ever a legitimate risk.

Define “legitimate” in this scenario.

You clearly don’t follow Biden or his politics that closely then.

Your grasp on economics and morality also appears tenuous.

big user wrote:

only problem is that no one is going to take you seriously if you share articles from outlets with expressed ideology

It’s in the liberal and local news as well:

Surprised no one mentioned this as I believe it is in many of the articles, but the UMASS Amherst Hockey team celebrated with some members of the team not wearing masks inside when they were supposed to be at the trophy presentation and then were at a large celebration when they returned to campus without any punishment. I do not believe either those girls at an outdoor Off-Campus party (did any of them even have or get Covid, I doubt it) nor the hockey players should be punished and suspended from the school for violating the schools policies, however it seems like the school only chose to punish one group of students and not another.

Media Lies wrote:

big user wrote:

only problem is that no one is going to take you seriously if you share articles from outlets with expressed ideology

It’s in the liberal and local news as well:

Yes, and any of those media would have been a better choice for the OP.

Anyway, given that the OP apparently doesn't know the difference between UMASS and Amherst College, s/he probably isn't likely to be able to discriminate between legit news sources and "other."

sjshxhxh wrote:

And their football team sucks too wrote:

Who cares what source it is from?

Ladies and gentlemen, the problem with today.

+1000

NERunner000053 wrote:

sjshxhxh wrote:

Ladies and gentlemen, the problem with today.

+1000

You and the guy before you are dishonest idiots.

You omitted the poster's other sentences:

And their football team sucks too wrote:

Who cares what source it is from? Are you saying the story is made up? I've seen this story on several news outlets.

It is people like you that are the problem with today.

minde15 wrote:

Surprised no one mentioned this as I believe it is in many of the articles, but the UMASS Amherst Hockey team celebrated with some members of the team not wearing masks inside when they were supposed to be at the trophy presentation and then were at a large celebration when they returned to campus without any punishment. I do not believe either those girls at an outdoor Off-Campus party (did any of them even have or get Covid, I doubt it) nor the hockey players should be punished and suspended from the school for violating the schools policies, however it seems like the school only chose to punish one group of students and not another.

No, by the time the hockey team was celebrating, COVID cases were much lower and the school had relaxed the zero-tolerance policy clearly. False equivalency.

BigYawn wrote:

You clearly don’t follow Biden or his politics that closely then.

Your grasp on economics and morality also appears tenuous.

No specifics. Vague insults. Par for the course.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Lhotse wrote:

So you actually think that not wearing a mask off-campus for a non-lethal virus (young age cohorts) is equivalent to doing 85 in a 55 without a seatbelt? Liberals live in a world of permanent distortion of risk and reality.

It's a virus, so it's viral you know. Even if it's non-lethal for them, it might not be for others.

Not if they are asymptomatic

Or pre-symptomatic. Who's to say they would immediately get tested and quarantine if they started getting a little sick? These are the same people who thought it was smart to post on social media them breaking the rules. Clearly, some lapses of judgment here. Again, too harsh a punishment in my eyes, but they screwed up and being punished at all was not unfair. The hockey team thing/parade is a red herring. They messed up.