So let me get this straight about the vaccine

wackcine wrote:

I’m sorry that you believe your body to be weak, and that’s fine, but just know that there are healthy people out there who have absolutely no need for this vaccine.

Astounding. Even after all this time, the anti-vaxxxer is still fundamentally incapable of thinking about other people. It doesn't even occur to him.

"Well I'm healthy, so why do I need it?"

Newsflash: It's not about you, assh*le! It's about not spreading it to other people who might not be as healthy.

I got my vaccine. Against all odds, I'm fine. Now I don't have to worry about killing my grandma when I visit her next month. Amazing.

You are correct, immune systems are not all powerful, and they even get pretty weak if you avoid exposure to pathogens for an entire year. Do do realize we have made society and the kids much more susceptible to severe disease by what we have done the past year? Don't you. In the context of the kids, it is neat criminal what has been done.

I think there's a distinct difference between keeping distance from people and going all Howard Hughes and trying to live in a germ-free bubble. The former was never enforced. Just keeping yourself away from diseases won't make your immune system weak. There's lots of other bugs around to keep your immunity busy, all the time. But if you're talking about the damage to kids by not allowing them to go to school even if you could provide distancing, then yeah- I agree with you. Not good for the kids.

This is Jim Kiler wrote:

This ^

The risk of getting Covid now is miniscule, compared to a year ago, and I haven't gotten it yet. Anyway, if this vaccine is so good, what's it matter to those who've gotten the vaccine whether I have it or not?

It matters because with universal vaccination the virus would become extinct. Everyone bears a small burden so that our entire group reaps a great reward. By not bearing the small burden you would still befit from everyone else being vaccinated because you are protected by the lack of outbreaks.

Imagine if your city is littered with trash everywhere, and so everyone agrees to simply not litter everywhere. You could easily point out, hey, as long as everyone doesn’t litter everywhere, I’m allowed to litter because just my trash alone won’t have any negative affect on the city. That would be incredibly selfish, and it wouldn’t work if everyone thought that.

Large scale cooperation is also ingrained in western culture, part of why Europe is so successful in the modern world, and part of why China is about to overtake us. If there were an entire civilization made of people who thought like you, you would still be in the dark ages.

Stone Age**

Whatever it takes for you to feel good about yourself, I guess.

Never a flu shot.

Never a polio vaccine (yes, that old).

Never a smallpox shot (same).

And certainly not this one. I've worked this whole time, quite a few I work with tested positive. I'm regularly tested, and take my temp twice daily. Nothing.

Am I immune? Not likely. But clearly, I'm doing something right. Since we're at about 90 percent herd immunity as I type, I think I'll sit this one out.

Sorry you fell for it.

This is Jim Kiler wrote:

Whatever it takes for you to feel good about yourself, I guess.

Never a flu shot.

Never a polio vaccine (yes, that old).

Never a smallpox shot (same).

And certainly not this one. I've worked this whole time, quite a few I work with tested positive. I'm regularly tested, and take my temp twice daily. Nothing.

Am I immune? Not likely. But clearly, I'm doing something right. Since we're at about 90 percent herd immunity as I type, I think I'll sit this one out.

Sorry you fell for it.

"I was a pilot over Germany in WWII and am still here, clearly it wasn't dangerous."

Never confuse being lucky with being right. Congrats on your health. Not everyone got the same roll of the dice, which is something the fearmongers on the board do not like to confront.

This is Jim Kiler wrote:

Whatever it takes for you to feel good about yourself, I guess.

Never a flu shot.

Never a polio vaccine (yes, that old).

Never a smallpox shot (same).

And certainly not this one. I've worked this whole time, quite a few I work with tested positive. I'm regularly tested, and take my temp twice daily. Nothing.

Am I immune? Not likely. But clearly, I'm doing something right. Since we're at about 90 percent herd immunity as I type, I think I'll sit this one out.

Sorry you fell for it.

Now why might it be that you haven’t caught polio or smallpox despite not having the vaccine? I’m sure you can figure it out.

On another note, you say I fell for it. What exactly is about to happen to me?

ienjoyracing wrote:

This is Jim Kiler wrote:

Whatever it takes for you to feel good about yourself, I guess.

Never a flu shot.

Never a polio vaccine (yes, that old).

Never a smallpox shot (same).

And certainly not this one. I've worked this whole time, quite a few I work with tested positive. I'm regularly tested, and take my temp twice daily. Nothing.

Am I immune? Not likely. But clearly, I'm doing something right. Since we're at about 90 percent herd immunity as I type, I think I'll sit this one out.

Sorry you fell for it.

Now why might it be that you haven’t caught polio or smallpox despite not having the vaccine? I’m sure you can figure it out.

On another note, you say I fell for it. What exactly is about to happen to me?

Sorry bro you are about to not get COVID. You fell for it. You should be getting COVID to own the libs.

How did Taiwan, a small country sitting near China, limit Covid-19 fatalities to just 12? Among other strict measures including the use of masks, contact tracing, etc, they ignored the WHO and distributed HCQ (later Ivermectin) plus zinc to the general population. Businesses and schools all remained open. I'm not a conspiracy guy but find it troubling that the factory producing HCQ in Taiwan was destroyed by an unexplained explosion in Dec 2020. https://taiwanenglishnews.com/taiwan-fda-distributing-hydroxychloroquine-for-free-after-who-declares-it-ineffective-for-covid-treatment/. It's also known that the spike in Covid deaths in India began after they stopped prescribing Ivermectin and rolled out vaccinations.

A) The argument that I am disputing is that Covid is somehow different from other illnesses(like polio) in the degree to which vitamin D and exercise provide protection. The onus for proof is on the person who asserts the difference

B) Exercise and vitamin D provide a measure of protection against a wide variety of infectious diseases. That evidence is the strongest evidence to support the notion that they protect against Covid

C) 1 athlete would be one thing, 3 stars in the 4 major sports in 1 town is another. You have Julia Webb in track as well.

D) I have never said that this is an extremely dangerous virus for the young and fit. As I have said, being young and fit generally protects against infectious diseases. The risk of long Covid seems like more of a risk than death for the young and healthy, although I don’t have great data on that.. I will list a study below finding persistent symptoms 6 months out in people followed after a positive test. 26.6% of people under 40 had some persistent symptoms.(fatigue most common over all age groups)

E) btw, new data. And unsurprisingly, exercise reduces his risk of Covid death, although perhaps not to the extent one would predict

People with high fitness had a Covid mortality rate that was 15% that of people with low fitness.

High fitness defined as vo2max in the top 20 percent

Low fitness defined as bottom 20%

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0250508

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2776560

It was the same with Polio, Measles, Diphtheria, etc. The diseases can be life-altering (you should google Polio) and you only need to get it once.

Not the same.

1) There's not such a thing like coronavirus vaccine, every try failed so far

2) Those Covid "vaccines" are experimental and approved only for emergency use. Not backed up by full trial data.

3) You'll need "vaccine" booster every six months

4) No one knows long term effects of those "vaccines" especially mRNA ones

5) mRNA tech was never approved for human use until today

Truth is Here. wrote:

wackcine wrote:

I’m sorry that you believe your body to be weak, and that’s fine, but just know that there are healthy people out there who have absolutely no need for this vaccine.

Astounding. Even after all this time, the anti-vaxxxer is still fundamentally incapable of thinking about other people. It doesn't even occur to him.

"Well I'm healthy, so why do I need it?"

Newsflash: It's not about you, assh*le! It's about not spreading it to other people who might not be as healthy.

I got my vaccine. Against all odds, I'm fine. Now I don't have to worry about killing my grandma when I visit her next month. Amazing.

Fearmongering 101 by the vaxx hustlers. Lol. It's a free country with a constitution pal and since the vaccine is NOT being mandated by the Federal government nor any state, people can freely choose to decline the vaccine!

You hustlers & pharma shills crack me up. 😆 If you don't like the freedoms given to the people in this country then move to Communist China or something!

naia champ wrote:

How did Taiwan, a small country sitting near China, limit Covid-19 fatalities to just 12? Among other strict measures including the use of masks, contact tracing, etc, they ignored the WHO and distributed HCQ (later Ivermectin) plus zinc to the general population. Businesses and schools all remained open. I'm not a conspiracy guy but find it troubling that the factory producing HCQ in Taiwan was destroyed by an unexplained explosion in Dec 2020.

https://taiwanenglishnews.com/taiwan-fda-distributing-hydroxychloroquine-for-free-after-who-declares-it-ineffective-for-covid-treatment/

. It's also known that the spike in Covid deaths in India began after they stopped prescribing Ivermectin and rolled out vaccinations.

Interesting. Where is the evidence about India?

CopperRunner wrote:

Wait, so you’re telling me that people that haven’t ever been in a car wreck wear their seatbelts and get their airbags checked?

People pay money for insurance, even though they’ve never had their house burn down? They are practically just throwing their money away!

People buy and carry self defense weapons even though they’ve never been robbed/attacked?

What a bunch of IDIOTS!

This is a very good point, OP.

Those measures do not have the potential to hurt the person in the future. But you knew that a$$wipe.

I know this is pointless--COVID response is largely connected to political identity and therefore not subject to argument, but here goes.

Reasons for healthy, young person (who doesn't feel their own health is in jeopardy) to take the vaccine:

1. The more times the virus is spread from person to person (including healthy young persons), the more opportunity there is for mutation and future variants that may be more transmissible and potentially more dangerous. It may be that unvaccinated people will bear some responsibility for any worse future variant.

2. A fairly significant percentage of at-risk individuals (immune-suppressed people and some elderly, for example) do not have a protective response to the vaccine, so their health depends on low case numbers in the general population. If we accept that 30% of Americans are going to stay unvaccinated, these immune-suppressed people will be forced to continue self-isolating indefinitely or take significant risks for normal daily life. Also, an unvaccinated person may inadvertently put one of these at-risk people in the hospital or the morgue.

3. The vaccine appears to be effective enough to come close to eradicating COVID-19 if were were able to vaccinate universally like we did for polio or measles. Or we could accept a significant death rate, largely but not entirely among the elderly, each year.

Look, I agree that we need to be at home with some levels of risk--we do not need to have zero COVID cases to have normalcy. I will also acknowledge that the personal risk of hospitalization or death from COVID for a healthy young person is low (but not as low as the risk from the vaccine). But even if you have good reason to be unconcerned about your personal risk from COVID, there are still big reasons to get vaccinated. It will help others. It may even save a stranger's life. It will speed the rate that our life and economy get back to full normalcy. It's one of those things that requires a community-minded approach rather than an individual approach, and that's never been a strong suit for us because America is founded on individual liberty--I get that. But please get vaccinated.

Former runner turned bodybuilder wrote:

You hustlers & pharma shills crack me up. 😆 If you don't like the freedoms given to the people in this country then move to Communist China or something!

Oh yeah, I'm a PHARMA SHILL. I just love me some Big Phama. Just a pathetic response. No sense of civic responsibility whatsoever. "I don't give a sh*t if I infect vulnerable people! Move to China if you don't like it, fearmongerer!"

If we dropped you back in time to 1942, you'd be claiming that you shouldn't have to fight because this is a "free" country and and besides, Hitler might have a point.

Covid "vaccines" doesn't prevent you from from being infected or spreading the infection. They only relieve symptoms. The whole "vaccinate yourself to help the others" thing is big pharma propaganda bs.

Truth is Here. wrote:

Oh yeah, I'm a PHARMA SHILL. I just love me some Big Phama. Just a pathetic response. No sense of civic responsibility whatsoever. "I don't give a sh*t if I infect vulnerable people! Move to China if you don't like it, fearmongerer!"

If we dropped you back in time to 1942, you'd be claiming that you shouldn't have to fight because this is a "free" country and and besides, Hitler might have a point.

Another looney post from you. Some of you vaccine hustlers/Covid crazies always bring up the WW2 analogy which is so stupid and shows the public school system isn't educating kids properly about U.S. history. #1)There was a DRAFT in WW2 - young men were drafted to fight...no choice there. #2) There was a real threat from Imperial Japan of invading and conquering the U.S. - everyone's life was in danger. Very few lives are in danger of dying from Covid. Of the 560,000 or so deaths, 80% involve age 65 and older. Out of that number, ~95% had pre-existing medical conditions. It's not the killer end-of-the world virus where we'd see tens of millions of all ages dead out in the streets of America.

As I said before, the Federal government nor any state is MANDATING the vaccine. So, I don't have to take it period and you lose the argument. If you want the vaccine forced on me then go contact the Biden administration and state government officials and demand to have it mandated - don't get all shi#ty with people who decline to take a non-mandated vaccine!

You do realize that the mRNA vaccines have been shown to reduce all forms of Covid infections by 90% (ie including asymptomatic infections). Give me a clear misunderstanding on this topic do you think that maybe you should reassess other things that you consider to be certain?

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0329-COVID-19-Vaccines.html