brits, how can you stand Boris Johnson?

Birkoboy wrote:

Having someone like Corbyn would have been a disaster,he was a terrorist supporting scumbag who anyone would have won an election against,this is a guy who happily invited known terrorists to parliament after they tried to kill the cabinet,it is exactly the same as if Osama's best mate got invited to the white house a few weeks after 9/11.That is the main reason Boris won.

He's probably a bit too far left for my tastes, but all this 'Would have been a disaster' stuff is just what you've been fed by the Murdoch media.

The Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser is right out the playbook. Hook line and sinker they got you.

You people happily vote for getting bent over by the Tories, simply because they've terrified you with their (and their compliant media) rhetoric.

Very sad.

trollism wrote:

Birkoboy wrote:

Having someone like Corbyn would have been a disaster,he was a terrorist supporting scumbag who anyone would have won an election against,this is a guy who happily invited known terrorists to parliament after they tried to kill the cabinet,it is exactly the same as if Osama's best mate got invited to the white house a few weeks after 9/11.That is the main reason Boris won.

He's probably a bit too far left for my tastes, but all this 'Would have been a disaster' stuff is just what you've been fed by the Murdoch media.

The Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser is right out the playbook. Hook line and sinker they got you.

You people happily vote for getting bent over by the Tories, simply because they've terrified you with their (and their compliant media) rhetoric.

Very sad.

It's not a case of being caught,simple facts are Corbyn has always been an IRA sympathiser.He has attended memorials for their dead and partied with them.Did he not entertain 2 known and convicted terrorists at Parliament? If you want to see he was seeking peace,then please show any actual quotes of him saying that then? He said it a few years ago when he was seeking election but he never said it at the time.

Any decent labour leader should have walked the last election,instead they had the worst result since the 30's,no amount of pressure bias should have led to the amount of northern areas turning blue that did.

I have much more respect for all politicians than I do a bunch of whiny, superior minded misanthropes on this board. It isn’t your fault. The entire culture has decided that people who try to lead are inferior to themselves.

A lot of this is down to Corbyn and what he did was unforgiveable. Trashed a party. The arrogance is outstanding because he must have known how unpopular he was, what he was doing, and what the result would be but he still carried on. A better leader would've stepped down. All of the people he claimed that he wanted to protect - well, that's all gone down the drain. People were never going to vote for him, if he had stepped down and let a more reasonable leader in place the previous poster is right, Labour would've walked the election. If he truly cared about the people he claims to, that's what he would've done, for the greater good. Stepped down. But he put his own personal campaign and feelings above that, which is horrendous. As a result, I don't trust a word he says.

Corbyn is a good guy, and brilliant at single policy campaigning. But he was not up to dealing with criticisms (of both actual faults and media-fabricated ones), and was never going to appeal to old white working-class northerners (well not many anyway - he got my vote and I fit that description). Boris is a likeable buffoon, who hasn't got a clue about pretty much anything but he's teflon coated when it comes to criticism.

I'm embarrassed this nation continues to vote Tory, but not as embarrassed as I was with the ridiculous Brexit vote.

He may be a good guy and TBH I don't think he's racist or most/if any of the accusations thrown his way that were essentially just to ruin his political campaign. But I do think he's a bad leader and the bets policies and in the world/thinking is worth nothing if you appeal so little to voters that you lose the vote and don't get elected in in the first place. He knew this would happen, and I think it's unforgivable that he didn't step down once this was realised. There are so many people who would NEVER vote for him. They needed a fresh start, fresh leader. Keir is a lot better and has much, much wider appeal. He also can argue and debate well and construct a decent sentence - looking at his quotes and what he's written, the standard is much higher and all of it makes sense. Contrast this with Boris.

Birkoboy wrote:

It's not a case of being caught,simple facts are Corbyn has always been an IRA sympathiser.He has attended memorials for their dead and partied with them.Did he not entertain 2 known and convicted terrorists at Parliament? If you want to see he was seeking peace,then please show any actual quotes of him saying that then? He said it a few years ago when he was seeking election but he never said it at the time.

Any decent labour leader should have walked the last election,instead they had the worst result since the 30's,no amount of pressure bias should have led to the amount of northern areas turning blue that did.

Oh come on. The Murdoch's and Tufton Street (who control the Tory front bench) have terrified you into thinking that you can only survive with a Tory government (so that's why you let them do whatever they want to you without a murmur of complaint).

Running through life afraid that 'your way of life' is being threatened when in reality it's nothing of the sort.

Hartlepool went for the Tories by a huge margin overnight. One of the most deprived areas of the country. Managed to be convinced that it's a Labour council's fault and not a concerted and deliberate effort by the national governing party.

Oh no, Labour got thrashed in one of the most traditional working-class seats in the country. Why oh why won't those dumb stupid Brexit supporting racist, sexist gammon do as they are told? I thought we could rely on their vote? Don't those subhuman chav gammon know that we speak for them? Probably because they can't even read (Twitter).

Oh well, just need to import a few million more Muslim immigrants in the name of diversity and the whole country will be like London and vote for us no matter what.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-57016689

Not at all,I asked a question about Corbyn that you refused to answer.

Hartlepool is another massive win,and shows Starmer has a hell of a lot of work to do to give them even a glimmer of a chance.

Coevett wrote:

Oh no, Labour got thrashed in one of the most traditional working-class seats in the country. Why oh why won't those dumb stupid Brexit supporting racist, sexist gammon do as they are told? I thought we could rely on their vote? Don't those subhuman chav gammon know that we speak for them? Probably because they can't even read (Twitter).

Oh well, just need to import a few million more Muslim immigrants in the name of diversity and the whole country will be like London and vote for us no matter what.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-57016689

Hartlepool voted for left winger Corbyn in 2017 and 2019 by an increased majority. They've now got a centrist leader and lost by an even larger margin than Corbyn lost by nationally. What gives?

A few miles north in Scotland, they are about to elect a super-majority for independence consisting of the SNP and Greens - both center-left, pro-European parties. Why are traditional working class voters in Hartlepool voting in entirely different direction to traditional working class voters in Glasgow?

KAV wrote:

He pulled out a rabbit out of his hat with the vaccination push and he is now bullet-proof for a loooong time. I know some people on the left are butt-hurt, but even if I dont personally like him as a person, he gets the job done.

But hey it beats anytime a senile old fart who "somehow" managed to get installed at the WH last november....

Johnson didn’t vaccinate anyone. The NHS did.

Stop fingering your mom and pay attention.

There was a swing from those that voted UKIP (Brexit Party) to Tory. Not rocket science. Labours offer is unclear. Policy aside, charisma means a lot and Kier has zip.

Fellas, you are getting off track here. Nobody cares about the minutiae of some obscure brit politicians. We want to hear about what you are doing to get rid of that nincompoop caricature with the ridiculous accent - Boris Johnson.

cor blimey wrote:

Brits, how can you stand Boris Johnson? He's a supercilious twit with a ridiculous accent and some sort of dead animal on his head. Didn't you learn anything from us having a clown around for the past few years?

I'm British. Many Brits don't like him. I'm one of them.

The trouble is the opposition is split. A lot of them wanted to remain in the EU but weren't very left-wing, whilst others were very left-wing and some were moderately left-wing but very pro-Brexit.

After Brexit the same split remains under the guise of a culture war. Some want Labour to be a left-wing alternative, others want them to be a socially progressive party and others want both.

Boris Johnson's boorish persona makes everyone think that he is just the British version of Trump's populism. But Johnson is a well seasoned politician and despite his outward appearances is a very skilled politician. Unlike Trump, Johnson actually had the ability to learn from mistakes during COVID and did an excellent job getting the country vaccinated while the rest of the EU saw additional waves of infection. He also got Brexit across the finish line, for better or worse, which is the main reason the Tories have been rolling over Labor.

Corbyn was Labor's most successful leader in decades. He downfall was Brexit. He tried to walk too fine a line between the remain camps and the Brexiteers. Starmer has been the death of Labor. He completely alienated the left wing of Labor with his witch hunt and suspension of Corbyn. At the same time, he failed to establish himself as a meaningful opponent to Johnson with all of his wishy washy responses to Johnson's failures during the pandemic. So, now even the Blairite center/right wing of Labor is calling for Starmer to step down.

hamsters wrote:

A lot of this is down to Corbyn and what he did was unforgiveable. Trashed a party. The arrogance is outstanding because he must have known how unpopular he was, what he was doing, and what the result would be but he still carried on. A better leader would've stepped down. All of the people he claimed that he wanted to protect - well, that's all gone down the drain. People were never going to vote for him, if he had stepped down and let a more reasonable leader in place the previous poster is right, Labour would've walked the election. If he truly cared about the people he claims to, that's what he would've done, for the greater good. Stepped down. But he put his own personal campaign and feelings above that, which is horrendous. As a result, I don't trust a word he says.

I'm not a Corbyn fan (I voted Liberal Democrat the last two general elections), but it's mad how anyone thinks Corbyn trashed the party. He did much better in 2017 and 2019 than Labour did in 2010 and 2015.

I think he seems alright as far as politicians go. He's weird. You would need something like this to motivate you to fight for this kind of leadership.

I'm clearly missing something.The 2019 election was labour's worst result since the 30's so how did he do better?

Birkoboy wrote:

Dim Tillon wrote:

I'm not a Corbyn fan (I voted Liberal Democrat the last two general elections), but it's mad how anyone thinks Corbyn trashed the party. He did much better in 2017 and 2019 than Labour did in 2010 and 2015.

I'm clearly missing something.The 2019 election was labour's worst result since the 30's so how did he do better?

Labour's vote share in elections in last 25 years:

2019: 32.1% (34.0% in England)

2017: 40.0% (41.9%)

2015: 30.4% (31.6%)

2010: 29.0% (28.1%)

2005: 35.2% (35.4%)

2001: 40.7% (41.4%)

1997: 43.2% (43.5%)

The closest they got back to power was in 2017 when Corbyn was about as popular as pre Iraq Blair.

Labour's "worst election since 1935" was only 1.4% lower in England than in 2005 - when they won.

The votes didn't fall in the right places (or in Scotland) for him to win the House of Commons though.