Sledge_Hammer wrote:
Good for her, she's very brave and is an inspiration.
To the OP and those who posted negative comments. She doesn't just identify as a woman. She has TRANSITION, so by definition she IS a woman.
By definition she’s a woman, but by biology she’s a male. The good thing about biology is that it needs no further analysis. She has a Y-chromosome. And no amount of makeup, surgery, or lobbying can change that.
Mahmood wrote:
Serious question - is there anything to prevent Juniper Eastwood (MT) from competing in US Olympic trials? Personally, I think Juniper would be a shoe-in to make the team IF SHE FOCUSES ON THE STEEPLE.
Thoughts?
You think a 445 miler/ 10:00 3k runner has chance at the olympic team?
zvdxa32 wrote:
Crazy.
The medal will be worth about the same as one obtained by cutting a course.
Again I ask how we got to the point of "gender identified as", rather than "biological sex" being the determinant of which category you compete in?
I think the almighty would agree.
Just like every little kid playing sports, dreaming of going to the Olympics. Training hard, sacrificing fun for work, changing your gender, bringing lawyers into a team selection. You know, just like every little kid dreams of.
Heather Swanson wrote:
Tokyo, 2021
https://www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/South-Park-transgender-athlete-620x445.jpg
Nailed it!
trollism wrote:
New Zealand are probably the strongest overall sporting nation on the planet per capita.
Half of New Zealand's medals come in three sports: sailing, canoeing, and rowing. I would expect this out of an island nation.
2016: 9 out of 19 medals
2012: 8 out of 13
2008: 4 out of 9
2004: 2 out of 5
2000: 3 out of 4
26 out of 50 total over the last five Games from three sports. That is not a good "overall sporting nation." Probably the best in the world per capita in sports that involve boats but certainly not "overall."
I doubt they have ever won a medal in weightlifting.
I am Sam wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
Another world-gone-crazy thread to draw out the crazy Democrats to air their wokehood.
What has this got to do with Democrats? If I were in US I would be to the left of most Democrat policies. You are talking about woke noise, which most people like me don't agree with
Granted transgenderism in sports was a pretty far left pet project but the individuals who support letting transgender males into woman’s sports are most likely going to identify or vote Democratic. Also, transgender men is woman’s sports is becoming very mainstream for the Democratic Party establishment- you’ll find very few Democrats who will speak out against it on capital hill.
Heather Swanson wrote:
trollism wrote:
New Zealand are probably the strongest overall sporting nation on the planet per capita.
Half of New Zealand's medals come in three sports: sailing, canoeing, and rowing. I would expect this out of an island nation.
2016: 9 out of 19 medals
2012: 8 out of 13
2008: 4 out of 9
2004: 2 out of 5
2000: 3 out of 4
26 out of 50 total over the last five Games from three sports. That is not a good "overall sporting nation." Probably the best in the world per capita in sports that involve boats but certainly not "overall."
I doubt they have ever won a medal in weightlifting.
Have of the USA's medals come from two sports. So NZ > USA.
Also, wasn't just talking about Olympics. They're a strong sporting nation with a population of small/average US state.
Taking HRT designed for menopausal woman to give them a tiny dose of chemically recreated oestrogen and progestogen.
Perhaps we should set minimum oestrogen levels, rather than maximum testosterone levels (aren't the IAAF permitted testosterone levels for 400m - 1 mile) for women something like 6 times higher than biological woman has produced naturally?
And you always get these closetted male posters on these threads, supporting chemically created transwomen. There was a one a while back when the jailed British athlete Michael Jamieson/Lauren Jeska was being discussed (jailed for attempted murder of a British Athletics official asking her to send blood samples) who basically boasted about them giving him a bit if action after a race.
Seriously, keep your sexual preferences to yourself. If youre not attracted to women, keep it out of the debate on the unfairness of transwomen in sport.
Honestly...I'm done with this crowd, and this sport, at least, at the professional level. literally grew up in track and field. My dad coached for fifty years, and I raced for twenty. Cross and track were my life. It would have been easy to get us to skip Christmas than to skip state meet.
And what I see happening to this sport disgusts me.
You all disgust me. The hate I see on display for trans athletes, all the posturing about protecting women's sports, is just bunk. Women in athletics were long treated as second class citizens, still are, and only now, when the specter of trans athletes competing with them, do you all suddenly care about the sanctity, the fairness for cisfemale athletes? Give me a break. This is just the same old arguments used against keeping blacks out of baseball, dressed up a bit.
You do realize, that when a movie is made about all this, years from now, you all will be the villains, right? That this is not a war you can win? Or if you do win, it will as a consequence kill the sport I love. Because when you practice exclusion in a sport, you slowly strangle it. Because there are young people coming of age now, for whom transgender rights aren't a controversy. They are a given, an absolute, and when confronted with a sport that excludes trans athletes from competing alongside their gender, they will reject that sport. Track and field, cross, athletics, is on such shaky ground as is, and this fight will only hurt its reputation in the long run.
You may think you are fighting to keep it pure and fair, but you are just slowly strangling it. And I'll be goddamned if I'm a party to it. This is a sport of inclusion, and dignity, and winning is the least important thing about it, at least, it is to me. It's about doing one's personal best. It's about pushing others to do their best. Damn the medals. Damn the podium. Damn it all. I would rather lose a race where all are welcome, than win in a race that excludes some individuals. All should be welcome. And that so many of you do not feel this way, feel so insecure, so fearful of trans people who just want to be accepted for who they are, sickens me.
Brian Rose
does it have a penis... if yes then you are a dude.
Cut it off like Renee Richards - then we'll let you compete
Whoa! Sounds like somebody needs to get laid!
Just as long as they get to compete with the women though, otherwise its unfair. Its always women that have to make way, to accept losing medals, sport and their right to compete with people with the same biology.
A few decades of permitted participation in equal events and men sorry former men have found a way around it. But hey, you're seriously uncool if you object - all the cool kids think it's cool!
Brianruns10 wrote:
Honestly...I'm done with this crowd, and this sport, at least, at the professional level. literally grew up in track and field. My dad coached for fifty years, and I raced for twenty. Cross and track were my life. It would have been easy to get us to skip Christmas than to skip state meet.
And what I see happening to this sport disgusts me.
You all disgust me. The hate I see on display for trans athletes, all the posturing about protecting women's sports, is just bunk. Women in athletics were long treated as second class citizens, still are, and only now, when the specter of trans athletes competing with them, do you all suddenly care about the sanctity, the fairness for cisfemale athletes? Give me a break. This is just the same old arguments used against keeping blacks out of baseball, dressed up a bit.
You do realize, that when a movie is made about all this, years from now, you all will be the villains, right? That this is not a war you can win? Or if you do win, it will as a consequence kill the sport I love. Because when you practice exclusion in a sport, you slowly strangle it. Because there are young people coming of age now, for whom transgender rights aren't a controversy. They are a given, an absolute, and when confronted with a sport that excludes trans athletes from competing alongside their gender, they will reject that sport. Track and field, cross, athletics, is on such shaky ground as is, and this fight will only hurt its reputation in the long run.
You may think you are fighting to keep it pure and fair, but you are just slowly strangling it. And I'll be goddamned if I'm a party to it. This is a sport of inclusion, and dignity, and winning is the least important thing about it, at least, it is to me. It's about doing one's personal best. It's about pushing others to do their best. Damn the medals. Damn the podium. Damn it all. I would rather lose a race where all are welcome, than win in a race that excludes some individuals. All should be welcome. And that so many of you do not feel this way, feel so insecure, so fearful of trans people who just want to be accepted for who they are, sickens me.
Brian Rose
Brian, this is going to shock you, but no one involved with women's sport cares what you, some random guy with ill-formed opinion, thinks about this issue. When you're a girl or a woman who works their whole life to get a scholarship, win a championship, or compete for a medal, then come back and post your take on what women should care about.
Brianruns10 wrote:
Honestly...I'm done with this crowd, and this sport, at least, at the professional level. literally grew up in track and field. My dad coached for fifty years, and I raced for twenty. Cross and track were my life. It would have been easy to get us to skip Christmas than to skip state meet.
And what I see happening to this sport disgusts me.
You all disgust me. The hate I see on display for trans athletes, all the posturing about protecting women's sports, is just bunk. Women in athletics were long treated as second class citizens, still are, and only now, when the specter of trans athletes competing with them, do you all suddenly care about the sanctity, the fairness for cisfemale athletes? Give me a break. This is just the same old arguments used against keeping blacks out of baseball, dressed up a bit.
You do realize, that when a movie is made about all this, years from now, you all will be the villains, right? That this is not a war you can win? Or if you do win, it will as a consequence kill the sport I love. Because when you practice exclusion in a sport, you slowly strangle it. Because there are young people coming of age now, for whom transgender rights aren't a controversy. They are a given, an absolute, and when confronted with a sport that excludes trans athletes from competing alongside their gender, they will reject that sport. Track and field, cross, athletics, is on such shaky ground as is, and this fight will only hurt its reputation in the long run.
You may think you are fighting to keep it pure and fair, but you are just slowly strangling it. And I'll be goddamned if I'm a party to it. This is a sport of inclusion, and dignity, and winning is the least important thing about it, at least, it is to me. It's about doing one's personal best. It's about pushing others to do their best. Damn the medals. Damn the podium. Damn it all. I would rather lose a race where all are welcome, than win in a race that excludes some individuals. All should be welcome. And that so many of you do not feel this way, feel so insecure, so fearful of trans people who just want to be accepted for who they are, sickens me.
Brian Rose
This is just overly emotional, incoherent rambling. Not letting men compete with women is killing the sport? That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You think that's how women competing against these men feel? I am guessing they feel the exact same way athletes feel competing against dopers. But because transgenders are the latest political pawns in the woke olympics, they get to do whatever they want at the expense of others because YOU feel bad for them. There will be no movies made about transgender female athletes because it is not heroic or bold for a man to compete with women. Who the f*ck would even watch that? Do you think they should make a movie about Fallon Fox (a man who identifies as a woman) getting paid to beat the sh!t out of women. No, they would make a movie about the woman who beat him, that is actually inspiring. And the idea that competing in sports is a "right" is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. It is not anyone's right to compete, much less break the rules to do so.
Identifying as another does not make you a member of that sex and compete against those you have an inherent advantage over, just like identifying as someone with higher testosterone does not give you the right to juice and compete.
If shoes are banned since they possibly can make you 4% faster, drugs are banned since they make you X% stronger and faster, how can we allow anything that gives anyone a few percent of advantage?
sayyestonepotism wrote:
Why not? The womens category was just arbitrarily done to give this sub division of people the same prices as the best humans in the world even though they are much worse. I dont see in what world a human who runs 100m in 11s should get the same price as another who does it in 10s. Trans people perfectly show how stupid this equity concept is
So you’re ok with letting the Dallas Cowboys compete in the NCAA?
Disgraceful. The athlete is a selfish, bullying jerk.
What is extraordinary about the so-called "trans" advocates is that they are cultishly fanatical, bigoted, narcissistic and completely self-absorbed. So we would ban a biological woman for doping but a biological male gets to cheat woman athletes because it makes him/her feel good? I mean who the hell cares about how this jerk feels? What about the feelings and basic rights of the women this guy cheated? It's insane. Rights is about balancing the rights of all, not arbitrarily deciding that one group gets to cheat another in a sick zero sum game.
Even Renee Richards can see the problem.
"It is just biology. Men have 10 times the amount of testosterone that normal women have. [The peer-reviewed journal Clinical Chemistry has that number at seven or eight times.] Now you want to get rid of that testosterone? O.K., but then it is going to take a couple of years for that to equilibrate. And men still have a larger frame with a larger cardiac output, a larger lung capacity." (SI 6/28/19)
Those citing the Renee Richards case - great job. I remember "her" as a kid.
It's good to be reminded of that as every time I think the world couldn't get any more crazy or the US is at an alltime low, it's good to remember that crazy/bad stuff has been going on for a long time.
In teh 70s, a transgender athlete was allowed to play pro women's tennis. How in the world was that allowed back then?
We act like politics is at an all time low now but In the 60s, people like MLK, JFK were killed.
