Yes or No: Was COVID really a pandemic?

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

A pandemic of OCD, yes. A real scary viral pandemic....that will be debated for decades to come and it depends on what data you believe is credible. Now, please let Harambe chime in yelling "EXCESS DEATHS" without any true understanding of the context and scope of what that means.

You have no evidence the excess death data as reported by multiple sources is NOT credible.

You wish it was dismissable, because it destroys the deniers' arguments.

Ah well. They'll never learn. Math is hard.

(P.S. if you're going to dismiss data, it's best to come up with an alternative source otherwise you end up arguing with no data vs. data.... and that's not very credible ;) )

Who is dismissing excess deaths. I am saying the paranoia and attitudes you projects caused the overblown response that lead to a large fraction of the excess deaths. Then some of these excess deaths were actually due to covid and likely unpreventable. Then there was a portion of the number that is just simply a skewed estimate (about 100k) due to the active shifting of the goal posts by the CDC on how they measured excess deaths. It is an absolute fact they lowered their estimates of expected deaths by 2000 per week in mid March of 2020; an undeniable fact so it is fair to claim this excess death number is a bit skewed in addition to the Harambe upward skewing of 10% to make it seem even more scary. Sheesh you are a simple one aren't you.

The Unkle wrote:

Harambe wrote:

A pandemic of OCD, yes. A real scary viral pandemic....that will be debated for decades to come and it depends on what data you believe is credible. Now, please let Harambe chime in yelling "EXCESS DEATHS" without any true understanding of the context and scope of what that means.

And the fact the the idea the numbers are skewed comes from the CDC data itself where they just suddenly shifted the goalposts down 2000 deaths per week in March 2020; oddly this was at a time when the CDC was projecting massive deaths from covid were on their way.

You have no evidence the excess death data as reported by multiple sources is NOT credible.

Other than common sense and real life experience

The Unkle wrote:

Harambe wrote:

A pandemic of OCD, yes. A real scary viral pandemic....that will be debated for decades to come and it depends on what data you believe is credible. Now, please let Harambe chime in yelling "EXCESS DEATHS" without any true understanding of the context and scope of what that means.

You have no evidence the excess death data as reported by multiple sources is NOT credible.

Other than common sense and real life experience

And the fact the the idea the numbers are skewed comes from the CDC data itself where they just suddenly shifted the goalposts down 2000 deaths per week in March 2020; oddly this was at a time when the CDC was projecting massive deaths from covid were on their way.

More die from heart disease daily than from Covid at its worst. A tremendous volume of deaths attributed to heart disease, or allowing longer lives, would be prevented if people would just stop eating garbage and take care of themselves.

And other than the outliers the media loves to highlight, Covid deaths are mostly made up of unfit, older folks with cardio issues such as COPD.

Unless you're in a third world craphole, standing in a river with a million other unmasked people, screaming, you were good to go months ago. Even before Abbott declared Texas was open.

Variants/shmariants. This has been over for months.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

You have no evidence the excess death data as reported by multiple sources is NOT credible.

Other than common sense and real life experience

And the fact the the idea the numbers are skewed comes from the CDC data itself where they just suddenly shifted the goalposts down 2000 deaths per week in March 2020; oddly this was at a time when the CDC was projecting massive deaths from covid were on their way.

Multiple other sources using different calculations report similar numbers. Even if I cede 100k excess deaths down to 400k it makes little difference in the magnitude of suffering.

So you claim most excess deaths are caused by things besides COVID? Please answer this.

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

And the fact the the idea the numbers are skewed comes from the CDC data itself where they just suddenly shifted the goalposts down 2000 deaths per week in March 2020; oddly this was at a time when the CDC was projecting massive deaths from covid were on their way.

Multiple other sources using different calculations report similar numbers. Even if I cede 100k excess deaths down to 400k it makes little difference in the magnitude of suffering.

So you claim most excess deaths are caused by things besides COVID? Please answer this.

Yes, event the CDC claims a large fraction of excess deaths in 2020 were caused by other things; I believe I saw a 30% number. Then, personally I believe there were a lot of covid deaths or declared covid deaths, but I believe this number was massively worsened by the mitigation efforts which did a lot reduce overall health outcomes, including making people more susceptible and less able to fight off covid-19. You don't seem to understand, I am also blaming a large fraction of the covid deaths on you and the fear mongering that perpetuated the insanity which reduced the health of the nation and made people generally more prove to severe covid infection rather than being able to just fight the virus off normally. I am saying your excess deaths due to covid is in part your own fault and without the insanity they would have been far less.

My personal experience is that I know 7 people that had Covid. For 6 of them it was just a weekend of feeling bad, then they went on without issue. 1 of them almost died, twice. She was on a ventilator for 4 months, and still has to take oxygen.

She is very overweight and she has a terrible form of asthma, so she and her doctor knew that IF she were to come down with this, it could easily be fatal, and it darn near was.

So my personal experience matches up to what they were saying initially. This thing is very bad IF you are older and/or have an underlying health issue, if you do not, it's really no big deal.

Your argument makes no sense, sorry. It's a clever change of tack from straight denying COVID though.

Select: Excess deaths with and without COVID-19

You'll see that nearly all of the excess deaths are attributable to COVID, especially after the first wave when testing was better.

Your argument that hysteria somehow made COVID far more deadly is unsupported by a similar IFR across all states and countries. It's a bold statement that you provide no evidence for.

The fact is, you're going to have to claim excess death numbers were faked to continue with this argument. The road you're going down doesn't lead to an evidence-based conclusion.

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By nearly all you mean the CDC first said 60% and then changed their tune to 75%; is this the same justification you gave your parents for why you had a C average in HS; 75% is not nearly all by a long shot and this is the CDC. Also, you keep posting a link to the CDC excess death page to make a point but there are no points being made there it is just a place where they provide some data. You also keep operating under the delusion that all Covid deaths were mainly covid deaths and this is just not the case, even if you ignore the massive overcounting due to the ridiculous declaration that a covid positive test means covid killed the old person with long term heart disease who just had a heart attack. I get it, you are on the team NWO agenda, your skewed facts are real justification for lunacy. There is no changing your stupidity, but we can at least tell you your stupidity killed a lot of people this past year.

Covid was a pandemic as much as January 6 was an insurrection. Both the same type of obvious & cheezy deception the loony left cult believes, hand fed to them by a ruling class who are laughing their asses off at all this.

Great north wrote:

Covid was a pandemic as much as January 6 was an insurrection. Both the same type of obvious & cheezy deception the loony left cult believes, hand fed to them by a ruling class who are laughing their asses off at all this.

Yeah, this pretty much sums it up without all of the nuance.

Either way, it’s been a nice year long break.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Great north wrote:

Covid was a pandemic as much as January 6 was an insurrection. Both the same type of obvious & cheezy deception the loony left cult believes, hand fed to them by a ruling class who are laughing their asses off at all this.

Yeah, this pretty much sums it up without all of the nuance.

+1

Gotta hand it to the left though, their overall histrionics were the curve ball that derailed Trump, who had been presiding over a great economy and brushed off pathetic attempts to unseat him with "investigations" and impeachments. Now whenever they need to get their way they just need to amp up the fear to 11, whether it is with invisible bugs or burning cities.

old guy 75 wrote:

Ask the people in India or family members of those who have died. You must have a limited definition of the word PANDEMIC. Does a quarter of the world's population have to die for you to consider it a pandemic? I'm beginning to think most of the people on this site are just idiots.

WOKE!

Deniers fail to see 6 inches in front of them.

A healthy person isn't going to pass heart disease on to a stranger.

A healthy person, who has COVID with light symptoms CAN pass it to someone who has preexisting conditions.

My father in law and brother in law live together in the same house. Both got COVID. One died. God Bless Texas I guess.

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

Deniers fail to see 6 inches in front of them.

A healthy person isn't going to pass heart disease on to a stranger.

A healthy person, who has COVID with light symptoms CAN pass it to someone who has preexisting conditions.

My father in law and brother in law live together in the same house. Both got COVID. One died. God Bless Texas I guess.

Alan

You see, this is the sort of guilt used to justify restrictions that did not do anything other than destroy lives, ruin the education of our youth, ruin people's mental health and actually put people into a more stressed and immune depressed state making them more susceptible to sever infection. How many people would have fight this off or sought out help in time if they had not been scared out of their wits. How many people developed worsened symptoms because they suddenly change to a sedentary lifestyle during the "pandemic" because of the shut down and travel restrictions and massive scaring of people to get the me to stay home and stay put. How many died of heart attacks because of this and then were declared covid deaths out of assumptions and altered reporting rules? It is sad you lost someone, I have friends that died this past year as well, but they died of cancer not covid....many people with other serious issues have not gotten proper treatment, many people are not getting proper screening and will suffer down the road, many people have and will die because of the idiocy and paranoia of 2020. We could have and would have beaten covid much better without all of the paranoia, restrictions, scare tatics, job losses, and political stress. Even to this day there is no evidence supporting what we did....except Bro2600 screaming JAPAN!!! at the top of his childish lungs. No, people should not be guilted into this any more, as for every life due to covid that we did not save via the restrictions, there is another life or many more that were either ruined or ended because of our massively political power/money-grubbing overblown response. Death is on the guilt mongerers hands, not everyone else that thought 2020 was a bit excessive. Get over yourselves, you've killed and ruined enough people at this point and achieved almost nothing.

Instead of harrassing other Letsrun posters who are being exposed to the same thing why don't you take your anger to DC and bang on the door of the white house demanding to know EXACTLY whats going on? Demand the millions of files deemed not fit for public consumption be released. Demand an independent body investigate the people involved with the past year of covid mandate machinations. Where are you with this?