Why are Americans still masking & why are there still COVID restrictions in place?

Harambe wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

Very few people actually deny COVID exists. I believe the term “COVID Denier” is purposely misunderstanding the point of view of people who are anti lockdowns or anti masks in order to label them anti-science or something of the sort.

Most of the “COVID Deniers” you speak of simply believe that the threat of COVID was vastly overblown and is even more overblown now that we have a highly effective and widely available vaccine(s).

Yes, the whole point is that someone who called 500k excess deaths despite aggressive mitigation efforts "overblown" is a denier.

Deniers do all they can to minimize or dismiss the true cost of COVID.

I've said this before but I'll say you're not a denier if you admit:

500k excess deaths is an accurate tabulation of the life-cost of COVID

AND

500k excess deaths is a tragedy that was worthy of trying to mitigate

China Joe wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Yes, the whole point is that someone who called 500k excess deaths despite aggressive mitigation efforts "overblown" is a denier.

Deniers do all they can to minimize or dismiss the true cost of COVID.

I've said this before but I'll say you're not a denier if you admit:

500k excess deaths is an accurate tabulation of the life-cost of COVID

AND

500k excess deaths is a tragedy that was worthy of trying to mitigate

You're an overly emotional doofus, an arrogant one at that.

500k was total excess deaths, and about 300k of those were attributed to covid. Seems like a lot right? Except the CDC violated federal laws in how they changed cause-of-death recording in relation to covid and instituted mass PCR-testing (which produces more false positives at a rate of 10x the covid prevalence), and even allowed for "probable" covid cases to be counted in the number that caused the over-inflated numbers. This has been explained months ago, but the policy-change on March 24, 2020 by the CDC to alter cause-of-death reporting to include anyone who dies after testing positive gets counted as a covid-death or "covid-related" death, regardless if someone died just of covid. This significantly inflates the numbers. As per the CDC, only 6% of those reported as covid-deaths had covid listed as the sole cause - so 18,000.

If after all of this, questioning the covid numbers makes you a "covid denier" then call me a covid denier. I gladly embrace the notion that I don't immediately agree with propaganda being fed to me by unethical government bureaucrats. Try not suffocate trying to eat Fauci's d!ck through your facemask.

2600 bro wrote:

China Joe wrote:

You're an overly emotional doofus, an arrogant one at that.

500k was total excess deaths, and about 300k of those were attributed to covid. Seems like a lot right? Except the CDC violated federal laws in how they changed cause-of-death recording in relation to covid and instituted mass PCR-testing (which produces more false positives at a rate of 10x the covid prevalence), and even allowed for "probable" covid cases to be counted in the number that caused the over-inflated numbers. This has been explained months ago, but the policy-change on March 24, 2020 by the CDC to alter cause-of-death reporting to include anyone who dies after testing positive gets counted as a covid-death or "covid-related" death, regardless if someone died just of covid. This significantly inflates the numbers. As per the CDC, only 6% of those reported as covid-deaths had covid listed as the sole cause - so 18,000.

If after all of this, questioning the covid numbers makes you a "covid denier" then call me a covid denier. I gladly embrace the notion that I don't immediately agree with propaganda being fed to me by unethical government bureaucrats. Try not suffocate trying to eat Fauci's d!ck through your facemask.

Bro did you just pull the “6%”.

You clearly don’t deal well with even simple discussion and this is a topic we have discussed for MONTHS.

So here’s some advice:

Holy s**t you are truly f**king stupid... and I’m being nice here... you just regurgitate grifter talking points and acting like you have more than a shred of knowledge. Learn to engage with data yourself or just shut up LMAO.

92% of a death certificates that include COVID list it as the primary, underlying cause.

Nothing makes me feel smarter than this wonderful message board.

China Joe wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Bro did you just pull the “6%”.

You clearly don’t deal well with even simple discussion and this is a topic we have discussed for MONTHS.

So here’s some advice:

Holy s**t you are truly f**king stupid... and I’m being nice here... you just regurgitate grifter talking points and acting like you have more than a shred of knowledge. Learn to engage with data yourself or just shut up LMAO.

92% of a death certificates that include COVID list it as the primary, underlying cause.

Nothing makes me feel smarter than this wonderful message board.

That's the problem, Harambe. Until March 2020, when the CDC surpassed federal regulations regarding death-reporting policies, covid-19 would not have been able to be listed as a primary cause (in Part 1 of a death certificate) if it was a comorbidity and would have been listed under Part 2 in the "other contributing factors" section. Under the new policy, covid could be listed as a direct cause of death, even when it could not be proven, and comorbidities could be listed in part 2, thus the increase in "covid deaths"

Sorry to have struck such a nerve with those pesky facts getting in the way of your narrative.

2600 bro wrote:

China Joe wrote:

You're an overly emotional doofus, an arrogant one at that.

500k was total excess deaths, and about 300k of those were attributed to covid. Seems like a lot right? Except the CDC violated federal laws in how they changed cause-of-death recording in relation to covid and instituted mass PCR-testing (which produces more false positives at a rate of 10x the covid prevalence), and even allowed for "probable" covid cases to be counted in the number that caused the over-inflated numbers. This has been explained months ago, but the policy-change on March 24, 2020 by the CDC to alter cause-of-death reporting to include anyone who dies after testing positive gets counted as a covid-death or "covid-related" death, regardless if someone died just of covid. This significantly inflates the numbers. As per the CDC, only 6% of those reported as covid-deaths had covid listed as the sole cause - so 18,000.

If after all of this, questioning the covid numbers makes you a "covid denier" then call me a covid denier. I gladly embrace the notion that I don't immediately agree with propaganda being fed to me by unethical government bureaucrats. Try not suffocate trying to eat Fauci's d!ck through your facemask.

Bro did you just pull the “6%”.

You clearly don’t deal well with even simple discussion and this is a topic we have discussed for MONTHS.

So here’s some advice:

Holy s**t you are truly f**king stupid... and I’m being nice here... you just regurgitate grifter talking points and acting like you have more than a shred of knowledge. Learn to engage with data yourself or just shut up LMAO.

92% of a death certificates that include COVID list it as the primary, underlying cause.

Nothing makes me feel smarter than this wonderful message board.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Bro did you just pull the “6%”.

You clearly don’t deal well with even simple discussion and this is a topic we have discussed for MONTHS.

So here’s some advice:

Holy s**t you are truly f**king stupid... and I’m being nice here... you just regurgitate grifter talking points and acting like you have more than a shred of knowledge. Learn to engage with data yourself or just shut up LMAO.

92% of a death certificates that include COVID list it as the primary, underlying cause.

Nothing makes me feel smarter than this wonderful message board.

Man you are losing it. You know that the 92% number does not really mean that 92% actually died of covid. They have to list covid as the primary cause in almost all cases except car accidents, suicides, and other obvious deaths were the person had a stuffy nose. Yo udo realize they were declaring all hospice deaths in NYS with a sportive covid test as covid as the primary cause of death. You really really must be relying on a funding source tied to pfizer/moderna. It is funny watching you lose it the more and more others start chiming in calling out your naïve BS, yes you are either naïve or intentionally trying to be deceptive.

2600 bro wrote:

LMAO not this article again. Harambe has pulled the numbers for comorbidities, Part 1 vs Part 2, and total deaths over and over. A very large portions of US deaths contain comorbidities.

For instance if you combine 2018 and 2019. There are 5,694,043 deaths and 13,121,223 labeled "causes of death" in the CDC wonder database. Obviously its not evenly distribute but it points toward the vast majority of death certificates having multiple causes even in 2018, 2019.

Furthermore if you believe that COVID deaths are mislabeled then you must:

1) Believe doctors across the nation are inaccurately diagnosing the underlying cause of death (or willfully mislabeling). So there's either widespread incompetence among doctors or widespread conspiracy - both seem very unlikely! But I welcome your evidence of either.

2) Believe excess deaths are faked or due to something mysterious we haven't been able to identify. No other major causes of deaths decreased/increased. Excess deaths track very closely through time and space with COVID-19 deaths, positive tests, and hospitalizations. You need compelling evidence to prove the extra deaths in 2020/early 2021 were not due to COVID.

China Joe wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

LMAO not this article again. Harambe has pulled the numbers for comorbidities, Part 1 vs Part 2, and total deaths over and over. A very large portions of US deaths contain comorbidities.

For instance if you combine 2018 and 2019. There are 5,694,043 deaths and 13,121,223 labeled "causes of death" in the CDC wonder database. Obviously its not evenly distribute but it points toward the vast majority of death certificates having multiple causes even in 2018, 2019.

Furthermore if you believe that COVID deaths are mislabeled then you must:

1) Believe doctors across the nation are inaccurately diagnosing the underlying cause of death (or willfully mislabeling). So there's either widespread incompetence among doctors or widespread conspiracy - both seem very unlikely! But I welcome your evidence of either.

2) Believe excess deaths are faked or due to something mysterious we haven't been able to identify. No other major causes of deaths decreased/increased. Excess deaths track very closely through time and space with COVID-19 deaths, positive tests, and hospitalizations. You need compelling evidence to prove the extra deaths in 2020/early 2021 were not due to COVID.

Or a third option, where an unproven cause-of-death recording method drastically lowered the bar for what could constitute a covid death compared to previous policies, plus unreliable testing methods that produce high amounts of false-positive results within the dataset.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Ok do the excess deaths part now you genius.

It is simple, the response to covid killed more people than anything else, both by other causes and covid itself. You and others like you are largely at fault for driving the nation into an unhealthy state that would surely, if you asked anyone in any other year, caused many more deaths than would be typical. Then CDC intentionally altered in expected death number to make everything seem even more scary than it actually was (this is a fact). The only one living in a delusion is the man-child Bro2600. Get over yourself dude, you have caused enough trouble hyping this thing for over a year and all we have seen is death and destruction; what good did you think you were doing? Do you really think you saved lives rather than caused more harm? Delusional narcissism describes you best.

2600 bro wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Man you are losing it. You know that the 92% number does not really mean that 92% actually died of covid. They have to list covid as the primary cause in almost all cases except car accidents, suicides, and other obvious deaths were the person had a stuffy nose. Yo udo realize they were declaring all hospice deaths in NYS with a sportive covid test as covid as the primary cause of death. You really really must be relying on a funding source tied to pfizer/moderna. It is funny watching you lose it the more and more others start chiming in calling out your naïve BS, yes you are either naïve or intentionally trying to be deceptive.

Haha I love watching you double down on the COVID death labeling errors and then having to spin back around and defend excess deaths. You try and keep the circular reasoning wheel spinning but even you have mixed up for your talking points. There is no consistent framework for reality through with all your hypotheticals are possible :)

Your brain must be incredible noisy or incredible empty to be able to handle such dissonance!

2600 bro wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

It is simple, the response to covid killed more people than anything else, both by other causes and covid itself. You and others like you are largely at fault for driving the nation into an unhealthy state that would surely, if you asked anyone in any other year, caused many more deaths than would be typical. Then CDC intentionally altered in expected death number to make everything seem even more scary than it actually was (this is a fact). The only one living in a delusion is the man-child Bro2600. Get over yourself dude, you have caused enough trouble hyping this thing for over a year and all we have seen is death and destruction; what good did you think you were doing? Do you really think you saved lives rather than caused more harm? Delusional narcissism describes you best.

Data? Or just emotion and whining?

I hope you guys don’t have children.

China Joe wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

LMAO not this article again. Harambe has pulled the numbers for comorbidities, Part 1 vs Part 2, and total deaths over and over. A very large portions of US deaths contain comorbidities.

For instance if you combine 2018 and 2019. There are 5,694,043 deaths and 13,121,223 labeled "causes of death" in the CDC wonder database. Obviously its not evenly distribute but it points toward the vast majority of death certificates having multiple causes even in 2018, 2019.

Furthermore if you believe that COVID deaths are mislabeled then you must:

1) Believe doctors across the nation are inaccurately diagnosing the underlying cause of death (or willfully mislabeling). So there's either widespread incompetence among doctors or widespread conspiracy - both seem very unlikely! But I welcome your evidence of either.

2) Believe excess deaths are faked or due to something mysterious we haven't been able to identify. No other major causes of deaths decreased/increased. Excess deaths track very closely through time and space with COVID-19 deaths, positive tests, and hospitalizations. You need compelling evidence to prove the extra deaths in 2020/early 2021 were not due to COVID.

Or a third option, where an unproven cause-of-death recording method drastically lowered the bar for what could constitute a covid death compared to previous policies, plus unreliable testing methods that produce high amounts of false-positive results within the dataset.