Why are Americans still masking & why are there still COVID restrictions in place?

I will include that I have ascertained that the Fort Worth Club as posted on Strava is the main affiliate to the letsrun.com site.

I will be including that information as well.

Good luck.

wergfv234 wrote:

This is why:

56000 cases per day (7-day rolling average)

727 deaths per day (7-day rolling average)

The UK, FYI is at 2300 and 23.

You see, its people like you who refuse NPIs that ensure the pandemic is as long as possible.

Thanks,

Well actually I’m in a state with no restrictions, so the pandemic is essentially over for me.

But I’m guessing none of those deaths and very few of those cases you just cited were from people who chose to not be vaccinated since, like previously stated, the fatality rate for those fully vaccinated is less than .001%

Because we don't want to end up like India. I just read that India will not be sending a team to World Relays due to the surge they're experiencing.

It's called giving up rights and freedoms for the illusion of safety.

Are around still around 50,000 positive tests a day in the US?

The vaccine just became available about two weeks ago to many in California and I know people who cannot find a place to get the vaccine unless they drive far.

Give it a month more or two so more people get the vaccine and have the two week period after getting it so it kicks in and hopefully there will be a lot fewer positive cases.

Are you expecting someone to care about your comments here, weirdo?

Progressives are soft and weak and compliant. If you tell one to wear a mask it will. Right after it cashes it's entitlement check.

https://reason.com/2020/01/29/presidential-candidates-promise-freebies-for-everyone/

answerPerson wrote:

Because we don't want to end up like India. I just read that India will not be sending a team to World Relays due to the surge they're experiencing.

India hasn't vaccinated as large a percent of the population as the US has though. Side note, I'm surprised that they're seeing a surge now. Seems like this would have happened a while ago when covid first started. Is testing becoming more widespread?

"Why are Americans still masking & why are there still COVID restrictions in place?"

1) Because we'd like the economy to get back to something approaching normal, which won't happen until the virus is under control.

2) Because we recognize that some fully-immunized people have nevertheless become infected with SARS-CoV-2, and that some of those (not many, but some) have sickened and died.

3) Because we understand that everyone who contracts the virus, whether s/he develops symptoms or not, gives the virus another chance to mutate into a potentially deadlier form.

4) Because we realize that masking up and restricting now have the potential to return us to (the new) normal sooner.

5) Because we can handle a little inconvenience without whining, and our individual personalities are strong enough that we don't feel threatened by minor conformity.

Those are some reasons.

BLM!! wrote:

India hasn't vaccinated as large a percent of the population as the US has though. Side note, I'm surprised that they're seeing a surge now. Seems like this would have happened a while ago when covid first started. Is testing becoming more widespread?

More detail and nuance in this article, but it appears that perhaps a variant is doing significant damage.

This *may* tie in with the third point in the post above from "Well, let's see."

energeticlotuseater wrote:

The CDC itself has said you have a .01% chance of having a “breakthrough” COVID case once fully vaccinated. Of those “breakthrough” COVID cases only 1% of those have been fatal which means the chances of you dying of COVID once fully vaccinated is something like .001%.

Your innumeracy is not helping your argument: It makes one wonder whether the rest of your "reasoning" is faulty.

And of course you don't even touch on the fact that "fatal or completely fine" are not, by a long shot, the only two outcomes from Covid-19.

The variant argument will be the main logic in continuing restrictions in the United States. Considering how wide spread COVID is across the world this is unfortunately essentially an argument the pro-lockdown or face mask crowd can make into perpetuity- “There might be a variant out there that is resistant against the vaccine so we must stay vigilant”.

Fortunately however this argument, especially in the United States, is having less & less “legs”. Red states are pretty much completely open and blue states are rapidly dropping all restrictions. Europe & India won’t be seeing normal life for a while but the United States is rapidly normalizing.

Every other country/health organization on earth uses the following criteria for herd immunity:

One vaccine shot

Previous exposure to Covid

Those who are immune to Covid

143 million

100 million, conservative estimate

40 million, conservative estimate

283 million as I type.

Well, let's see. wrote:

"Why are Americans still masking & why are there still COVID restrictions in place?"

1) Because we'd like the economy to get back to something approaching normal, which won't happen until the virus is under control.

The economy has already recovered, except for the industries directly held back by covid restrictions, so this is backwards

energeticlotuseater wrote:

1) It appears that once you are vaccinated you are good to go and

2) if someone chooses not to get vaccinated then they must deal with the consequences of their choice.

1) It only "appears" that way to the ignorant. NO vaccine that I know of is 100% effective and if you are fully immunized there's still a small chance you might sicken/die if someone harboring the virus spreads it to you...particularly if it's in a mutated form that the vaccines don't handle well, as someone already mentioned.

2) If it were ONLY the people who decide against being vaccinated who "must deal with the consequences of their choice," you might have a reasonable argument. But we live in a society, and OTHERS might have to deal with the consequences of your choice.

This doesn't even address the fact that, if the consequence of your choice is hospitalization, there are costs that >someone< has to pay.

Hardloper wrote:

Well, let's see. wrote:

"Why are Americans still masking & why are there still COVID restrictions in place?"

1) Because we'd like the economy to get back to something approaching normal, which won't happen until the virus is under control.

The economy has already recovered, except for the industries directly held back by covid restrictions, so this is backwards

Absolutely wrong. I'm still out of work (legal temp), and the restrictions have nothing direct to do with that.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Congratulations.

I have decided after this thread, your screen name, the racism and the inherent misinformation about Covid, that I will be reported Letsrun.com to the Better Business Bureau of the city in which they are located

Whether or not they are registered, they take in advertising dollars, so as a conscientious objector to a lot of the content here, I will be involving the establishment, at this time.

Good luck.

I’m not sure what you think the Better Business Bureau does. Think of it as Angie’s List (now Angi) for Boomers. Like 1% of the (Boomer) population consults it before choosing to buy furniture from a brick and mortar store on Main Street. So let’s (optimistically) assume 1% of the letsrun membership decides to look at the letsrun BBB rating before coming to this site and sees your complaint...what kind of impact do you think that’s going to have? If you want to make a difference, you should be reporting everything that offends you to your state attorney general as a hate crime. I write that in all seriousness, there’s plenty of material on this site that would qualify.

coach wrote:

Das Unkle wrote:

Didn't the actual last pandemic, the Spanish flu, just blow over? Lasted just 12 months.

I believe it lasted a bit more than 12 months. Perhaps 18-24 months.

Yes, it was closer to two years than one.

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Why only Americans? Other counties have covid restrictions, including UK and Israel, where case loads and vaccination levels are better than in the USA.

Agreed, though in my area, you need to put some effort into finding an available appointment slot. Nationwide, there are still more than 1M people getting their first shot each day, so we are not quite at the point where anyone who wants a vaccine has one. Plus, anyone getting their first Moderna shot today won't be considered fully vaccinated until June 11th, at the earliest.

Personally, I became eligible for a vaccine on April 19th. I booked the first appointment I could find in my metro area, which was a few days later. I won't be classified as fully vaccinated until early June.

That does not follow from what the CDC said. They say 0.01% of fully vaccinated people have become infected so far (well, as of 4/20). Most fully vaccinated people haven't been classified as fully vaccinated for very long, and at least a few of the people who were fully vaccinated as of 4/20 will get infected in the future.

The CDC will always give cautious advice, as it does with non-covid topics. For example, the CDC advises that children under 5 should never touch turtles, frogs, chickens, or ducks, as there is a salmonella risk. Their advice is worth a read, but it's a bit silly to get upset if you are more risk tolerant that the CDC folks.

The important thing is for legal covid restrictions to expire when appropriate. Obviously, there won't be widespread agreement here, but as you say, legal restrictions are currently easing in most (all?) states, or have already expired.

I don't think we have quite reached this point, but we're getting there. We should also consider people who can't get vaccinated. They are only protected by herd immunity and distancing. Herd immunity is also getting there.

TLDR - I think your post is a couple months premature.