Serious discussion about aliens and UFOs. The evidence/reports are now undeniable.

alien observer wrote:

Creativity and fantasy are necessary kin. Some good is attained from each in both science and religion. BTW there never has been or will be off planet alien contact with earth. But enjoy the idea anyway. Makes for great reads and movies.

"Never will" is a very severe stance to take.

I liked the 3 body problem trilogy though.

alien observer wrote:

Creativity and fantasy are necessary kin. Some good is attained from each in both science and religion. BTW there never has been or will be off planet alien contact with earth. But enjoy the idea anyway. Makes for great reads and movies.

Read through this and respond. Multiple pilot witnesses, witnesses on ships, radar contacts, infrared recordings. It’s all there; open your eyes.

Maybe they aren’t “off planet” or necessarily “alien” in the sense they they come from space, but whatever it is, it’s NOT American/Russian/Chinese.

These objects are CONFIRMED by multiple sources. These encounters are happening.

They are displaying characteristics far beyond our propulsion systems and physics. Use your head and think for a second - if any nation possessed such clearly beyond nextgen technology, why wouldn’t they be applying it or utilizing it to dominate?

These objects are NOT ours nor do they belong do our foreign adversaries.

Listen to this from the Space Force hearing from 2:26:00 on; Blumenthal before he gets to his question.

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN IN AND OUT AS I HAVE ATTENDED OTHER COMMITTEE HEARINGS AND I SORT OF FEEL LIKE THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTS FOR US AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND ARE THE FACTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN SAID TODAY. AND THE REASON WHY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SAID IS THAT THEY ARE LARGELY CLASSIFIED. AND THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA, REALLY NO IDEA ABOUT THE IMMENSITY OF THE THREAT IN SPACE. AND I'VE MADE THIS COMMENT IN A CLASSIFIED SETTING THAT I WISH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE COULD BE PRESENT IN THIS ROOM, NOT THIS ROOM, BUT THE SKIP BECAUSE OUR ADVERSARIES KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. THEY KNOW WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING, BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA. AND SO THIS DISCUSSION AND DEBATE WILL HAVE VERY LITTLE INTEREST IN THE AMERICAN PUBLIC CARRIED ON IN A LEVEL, FORGIVE ME, BUREAUCRATIC LANGUAGE THAT MOST AMERICANS WOULD HAVE TROUBLE SEEING AN IMMEDIACY IN THEIR DAILY LIVES. BUT IF THEY WERE PRIVY TO WHAT WE HEAR AND YOU KNOW IT MUCH BETTER THAN WE DO BECAUSE YOU LIVE IT, I THINK THEY WOULD BE PRETTY ALARMED. YOU ARE LIVING WITH THE STRICTURES OF WHAT IS CLASSIFIED AND NOT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A REAL OBLIGATION TO EXPLAIN TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHY SPACE IS A DOMAIN THAT MATTERS, WHY THE THREATS THERE ARE REAL AND URGENT WHY THEY ARE GROWING IN IMPORTANCE. SO I THINK WE ALL AGREE HERE THAT SPACE IS AN IMPORTANT DOMAIN. UNDER SEA WARFARE IS AN IMPORTANT DOMAIN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE DEMAND FOR IT. CYBER IS AN IMPORTANT DOMAIN, AS MY COLLEAGUE AND FRIEND, THE LATE JOHN McCAIN USED TO SAY. AND SO I FOUND VERY PERSUASIVE SECRETARY WILSON WHAT YOU SAID IN JULY OF 2017. I KNOW IT HAS BEEN QUOTED TO YOU BEFORE THIS MORNING. AND OTHERS OF YOU, THE REASONS FOR YOUR OPPOSITION TO THAT SEPARATE DOMAIN OR THE SEPARATE COMMAND FOR THE SPACE DOMAIN.

Our adversaries (China/Russia) know what THEY (unknown) are doing.

We (the United States) know what THEY (unknown) are doing.

THEY (unknown) know we (United States) know what THEY (unknown) are doing.

And what are they referring to?

Listen to Senator Michael Bennet discuss here:

From 56:15 to the end.

It’s Bipartisan, it’s Senior Republican and Democrat Senators coming out saying this.

Warner-D

Bennet-D

Rubio-R

Retired Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid

I mean look this is just today:

BOTTOMLINE

Our fighter pilots and radar men have been seeing excessive activity of UNKNOWN AERIAL PHENOMENON off the coast of LA to San Diego and Virginia to Georgia. We have visual, radar, Infrared confirmation.

Senior Republican AND Democratic Senators have been briefed on these events. THIS IS REAL.

Warner-D

I have a friend who told me he’s been contacted by alien forces since he remembers even saying he was abducted once as a child. He mentioned how he sees them to me when I first was introduced to him and spoke so passionately while showing me photos on his phone of “UFOs.” We’d all end up at a party later and from our patio watched as the best I can describe as a blurry flying octopus shape floated the air before disappearing. My friend of course was going crazy and screaming “they come to me to show you to believe.” The 10 or so people at the party were all pretty amazed and confused but listened as he told how there are different alien species; some bad and some good that are both very curious about us but also others extremely indifferent to us. But the bad and good ones have the ability to even control us in spiritual warfare.

For the better part of the past decade, 90% of the US population has been walking around with high definition cameras with decent built-in stabilization in their pockets at all times. There's 1080p video of everything imaginable on YouTube and similar sites.

Why is all video evidence of these phenomena still terrible quality?

On topic wrote:

For the better part of the past decade, 90% of the US population has been walking around with high definition cameras with decent built-in stabilization in their pockets at all times. There's 1080p video of everything imaginable on YouTube and similar sites.

Why is all video evidence of these phenomena still terrible quality?

It’s not. Do some looking. Realize that cloaking is also a very real phenomenon.

Please cloak yourself and this thread. I would like it to disappear forever.

brain user wrote:

It's funny to read discussions of UFO's from the 1950s to 70s. They talk about "flying saucers" because that was their conceptual world at the time.

It's funny to watch the original Star Wars from the 1970s and notice that the Millennium Falcon uses a defense system that resembles the turret of a WW2 tank. Or that there were no laser-guided missiles to blow up the Death Star. The whole premise of the movie doesn't even work today.

Which part of 1950's tech resembled flying saucers? Frisbees maybe.

The Falcon's turret more closely resembled the bottom turret on a heavy bomber, which resembles a ground-based AA gun. Both are designed to quickly aim at any point in 3D space. There's no reason it wouldn't work on a spacecraft operating at similar speeds. The Death Star's vulnerable point was too small to be targeted by a guided missile.

If you want to criticize space fighter combat, start with the ignorance of g forces. These are way faster than Earth planes and shouldn't be able to turn fast at all.

Here's an interesting take on it:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones-are-spying-on-the-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufos

I didn't say the concept came from tech. I have no idea the origins of the concept of a flying saucer, whether old sci fi or alleged black and white photos of UFOs. But that was the way people in the 50s and beyond perceived of alien space ships. Even the Brady Bunch had an episode in which Greg tricked his brothers into thinking they saw a flying saucer.

Sci fi doesn't age well because our conceptual world constantly changes. Speculation about alien encounters and space ships doesn't age well either. For the same reason.

76 and still doing distance wrote:

Here's an interesting take on it:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones-are-spying-on-the-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufos

I've always felt this. Isn't it obvious? Look at how far drone tech has come in the last decade. Why are people skeptical?

We can now safely confirm that there are things in the sky that are unidentified. Good job!

I think it boils down to whether you believe that aliens have developed the ability to travel as fast as or even faster than the speed of light (nearest star systems are 4+ light years, meaning that even with light speed aliens would be giving up 8+ years of their lives to visit our little planet) or some deep dark secret defense project has perfected a propulsion device that uses technology that had only previously existed in theory.

I think it is the latter. There are all sorts of theoretical propulsion systems out there that could produce aircraft capable of doing what has been seen in UFO videos. Maybe China or Russia is using it to spy on and harass US military.

There are just too many problems with an alien theory. Other than some odd theories about worm holes, there is no possible way to travel at the speed of light or faster. It is not even theoretical. There would have to be an alien race that set forth on a space ship capable of sustaining generations as they travel around visiting planets. And that space ship would have to be able to evade detection. Just too much sci fi to put the alien theory out ahead of a home grown device with some unprecedented propulsion system.

On topic wrote:

For the better part of the past decade, 90% of the US population has been walking around with high definition cameras with decent built-in stabilization in their pockets at all times. There's 1080p video of everything imaginable on YouTube and similar sites.

Why is all video evidence of these phenomena still terrible quality?

With this post and the Drone post it's good to see some people talkin sense! Obviously they're probably drones!

We know we have invented tons of flying machines. We also know that eye witnessed testimony is terrible even from trained experts. Eyewitness testimony is totally unreliable!

We know we have tons of flying drones planes machines Etc and we also know that there's tons of meteorological and astrological stuff that can be mistaken, as well as flares, lights , reflections, meteors

The idea that there is extraterrestrials flying around in our solar system, but yet there is no evidence of terraforming or large-scale robotics, is just absurd! If aliens were real they would terraform send robotic probes they wouldn't waste their time buzzing around our airspace

The whole idea is just so absurd and Dopey that it is obviously the mind of human exaggeration common misperception, fantasy, wild speculation

We know that people are incredibly imaginative fantasy driven creatures who are prone to tons of cognitive errors and biases. Let's use a little perspective and not all be hysterical chicken littles thinking the sky is falling!

scales wrote:

On topic wrote:

For the better part of the past decade, 90% of the US population has been walking around with high definition cameras with decent built-in stabilization in their pockets at all times. There's 1080p video of everything imaginable on YouTube and similar sites.

Why is all video evidence of these phenomena still terrible quality?

It’s not. Do some looking. Realize that cloaking is also a very real phenomenon.

If it's not, then why don't you post said high-definition proof here for everyone to enjoy? And if the answer to every question is just going to be "alien technology that we don't understand is responsible" instead of providing reasonable evidence, then the claims are unfalsifiable and we're basically are back to taking someone's word as gospel.

Long pole wrote:

Please cloak yourself and this thread. I would like it to disappear forever.

No one is keeping you here, tough guy. Move along.

You’re not listening and that’s ok - the other poster would also like this to go away. It will not, because there exists infrared and radar recordings that verify what pilots see with their own eyes.

Yes, it’s entirely possible that antiUFO stigma has allowed for their to be a weakness to sudden advances in drone technology.

However:

Nothing on Earth can match the performance of what we are seeing AND recording with multiple sensors.

I don’t quite think you understand the sheer energy required to demonstrate characteristics of these “unidentified aerial phenomenon”

These are STILL cases wherein the entire weight of the Navy and DoD has been brought in to look at these objects. It’s almost an open secret within the intelligence community to discuss the briefing that BIPARTISAN SENATOR leadership , both DEMOCRATIC and REPUBLICAN, have received.

You cannot ignore this reality. There is a taskforce called the UAP Taskforce that is being asked to provide a report of what intelligence and defense community knows about this phenomenon in June.

You can sit here and deny it, or embrace it when it comes

On topic wrote:

scales wrote:

It’s not. Do some looking. Realize that cloaking is also a very real phenomenon.

If it's not, then why don't you post said high-definition proof here for everyone to enjoy? And if the answer to every question is just going to be "alien technology that we don't understand is responsible" instead of providing reasonable evidence, then the claims are unfalsifiable and we're basically are back to taking someone's word as gospel.

You’re the one who’s curious. I’m not going to waste time doing work for you. What you will see in June will rattle you.

The concept came from the initial sightings by a pilot over Rainer, stating that they skipped along like “flying saucers”...ie like a saucer you'd place your coffee cup on.