Lagat in his prime - How fast would he have run with super shoes?

forget something? wrote:

Murph800 wrote:

PS: he ran 3:31 indoors.

How old was Geb when he ran 3:31? How old are Hocker & Teare and already have a 3:33?? What was Gebs 1500/mile PR when he was 19? Yeah, I thought so.

According to people like you he was around 52 when he ran 3:31 and he was never 19.

Steffen wrote:

Oh Please wrote:

Also, if they were 100% contemporaneous, as in exact same age, I think Bekele wouldn't have ultimately held those records over Geb. By time KB took that 5000 record, Geb had already been a pro for like 13 years and was obviously starting to lose that fast finish since he had started to transition to Marathon.

I think Geb still is the best 5/10k kicker in history. Not even KB could match this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjSkL1MGWlYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ7TG98gpyQ

Nah, Bekele had quicker last laps in faster races

12:48 race with a 53.00 last lap

Coevett wrote:

Btw, the reason the 1500/5000m WR hadn't been done before Aouita was because of the lack of Africans on EPO.

about.

How about Filbert Bayi, he was Alian?

and I add:

- Mohammed Gammoudi (Tunisia from North West of Africa)

Silver Medal in Olympic Games 1964

Gold Medal in Olympic Games 1968

Bronze Medal (at age 33) in Olympic Games 1972

Gammoudi with the Kenyan Kipchoge Keino were pioneers of Africa Middle/long Distance rise and the precursors of future African dominance.

Just think about the unfair conditions the evolved

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Lagat did not need super shoes, he had EPO!!!!!!

I do not think his on anything now, but when you get rocked your senior year of college, then 1 yr later, you are running sub 3:29 ....WTF

not any faster. I have raced with the super shoes a few times. They feel nice, but there is no difference in time.

runner12hq74739 wrote:

not any faster. I have raced with the super shoes a few times. They feel nice, but there is no difference in time.

This is not true. What is the point of them if they are not faster?

Coevett will probably never stop with his lies - the same lies again and again.

Wise Old Man wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Pretty reasonable estimations I would think, but he might be a bit slower over 800, maybe 1:44.0. I believe he’s in the same mold as Jakob Ingebrigtsen and Hicham El Guerrouj, who are able to stretch relatively modest 800 ability into incredible 1500m times, perhaps with some pharmaceutical assistance.

I’d guess:

1:44.0

3:26.34

3:43.4

4:46.5

7:25.0

12:46

26:55

59:00 - Sounds pretty accurate with modern shoes. Ten years ago I would have thought slower but now we’re living in 57:3X world.

2:07

2:12 at age 45. Age-grading calculator predicts a 2:03 in his prime. Ok, that’s maybe too fast, but do you really think Lagat in his prime could not do better than Khannouchi, Hall and Rupp? Of course he would.

I don’t believe Lagat had as much aptitude for the marathon as those guys, no. His best distance was the 1500, and at 5k he was better off in a kicker’s race. Khannouchi ran multiple marathon WRs and beat Tergat and Geb to win London in one of them.

Maybe if Lagat trained for the marathon from ‘05-‘13 and had access to Nike 4%, he runs 2:05:xx. But if I’m giving Khannouchi, Hall and Rupp the same degree of coulda-shoulda-woulda credit, they run 2:03/2:04/2:04 respectively.

His 2:12:10 at age 44 is very impressive, but not as impressive as his 13:06 for 6th in the Olympic 5k final at 41. Let’s say at that point if he’d been training for the marathon for a few years, he’d have run 2:09:50. Work that back another 4 years to when he was 37 (think Kipchoge and Carlos Lopes) and he’s at ~2:08:00 flat. And I believe he would have been more likely to hit his marathon peak in his thirties than when he was 26 and running 3:26.

dedhjrj wrote:

runner12hq74739 wrote:

not any faster. I have raced with the super shoes a few times. They feel nice, but there is no difference in time.

This is not true. What is the point of them if they are not faster?

marketing to make nike more money.

Thank you for this well informed answer. I concede the point to you. Lagat, a great middle distance talent, one of the 2-3 greatest, but not with the range to compete in the long distances with likes of Geb or Bekele or even Rupp regardless of his age or his shoes.

Well with Lagat it is hard to argue that the 1500m is not his best event. However I am going to. As you said JWH, Lagat ran 13:06 at age 41. Lagat ran 12:58 at 38 and 12:53 at 36. This surely looks like a 12:45 runner in his prime. I think it is entirely possible that his sweet spot might have been 3000m. Of course he never ran a super fast one so one might say WHAT? Look at El G with his 3:26 and 12:50 running 7:23 in his only serious attempt, and maybe his only attempt. Lagat’s sweet spot also could have been 2000m, much like El G. Of course El G was supreme at 1500 to 2000 and in a way at 3000. Lagat’s best distance was likely more than 1500m but how much more is admittedly speculative. So I am at least throwing it out there that his best distance might have been longer than 1500m.

The 3k is so unpredictable for some. It should have been Mo Farah's best event, imo, but he did not run it well at all. Couldn't break 7:30. This from a 3:28/12:53 guy, who most would say is at minimum a 12:45 guy, in theory--probably better.