French female steeple star, Boxberger (9:31) escapes severe doping sentence (April 7, 2021)

2008 crisis wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

We don’t talk about bankers who cheat or create loopholes for their clients, people who cheat on their taxes, people who cheat on their wives, and other things.

In what world do you live?

Response:

In a world of great challenges, frustrations, disappointments, with rare glimpses of the sun on the horizon.

With COVID-19, governments have seen fit to make our challenges much more challenging than previously.

I almost wonder whether you are actually insinuating that they are clearly dopers in these posts. Otherwise, why only pick up on likely or actual dopers with dramatic unexplainable improvements and with the doping suggestion mentioned?

If you click on this link and then select “Progression” you will see that Boxberger’s progress is very steady over the years indicating no red flags.

doc idiot wrote:

Fewer things are more reliable on LRC than Ghost1’s apologies and excuses for dopers. I’ve been here a long time, as has he, and I don’t remember a single post of his that did not make some reference, direct or oblique, to his press,potion of innocence of a known or likely doper.

We have posters on here who are like a dog with a bone. Ghost is like a pit bull with a small child’s femur.

To be fair, at least he apologizes for both black and white dopers, unlike most of the doping apologists here. No doubt worsened by the fact that LetsDope now has an official moderation policy of deleting threads and banning posters for discussing Kenyan doping.

Coevett wrote:

doc idiot wrote:

Fewer things are more reliable on LRC than Ghost1’s apologies and excuses for dopers. I’ve been here a long time, as has he, and I don’t remember a single post of his that did not make some reference, direct or oblique, to his press,potion of innocence of a known or likely doper.

We have posters on here who are like a dog with a bone. Ghost is like a pit bull with a small child’s femur.

To be fair, at least he apologizes for both black and white dopers, unlike most of the doping apologists here. No doubt worsened by the fact that LetsDope now has an official moderation policy of deleting threads and banning posters for discussing Kenyan doping.

If you take a look at the link above and click on her progression it would seem to be a very logical progression and the question that comes to mind is why would an athlete at the later stages in her career suddenly start doping? It does not make a lot of sense.

Aside from that, apart from her 931 3000 m steeple chase record, her other times are far from outstanding.

This is not to diss Boxberger because she’s a fine athlete in her own right but let’s be honest she’s not a world class icon.

The evidence strongly indicated multiple epo dosage not a single dose.

It is appears almost certain she is a bare faced liar and drug cheat.

Ghost you used to post some interesting stuff on the training of athletes.

'mopac wrote:

The evidence strongly indicated multiple epo dosage not a single dose.

It is appears almost certain she is a bare faced liar and drug cheat.

Ghost you used to post some interesting stuff on the training of athletes.

You may be right but the case is a very murky one also involving her coach, Alain Flacus, who is a controversial character and no choirboy himself.

The verdict has been rendered and she will return to athletics in November 2021. Whether she can reach her goals in the future and make the Olympic marathon team for France in 2024 remains to be seen but I personally think it is doubtful.

In France, athletes who have been under suspicion for doping and involved in cases for doping are rarely welcomed back into the athletics arena with open arms, at least not by everybody, and so she will need to be tough and resilient to face those people who may not be enchanted to see her again competing.

Many athletes, because of those challenges just call it a day and get involved in other activities.

She may have sinned, but we feel a certain sense of empathy for her, because she was facing a lot of pressure from coaches and other people involved with her progress in athletics.

Boxberger best - 9:31.84 (Berlin in 2018)

2020 list

1 9:06.14 Hyvin KIYENG 13 JAN 1992 KEN KEN 1 Olympiastadion, Berlin (GER) 13 SEP 2020 1229

2 9:10.07 Beatrice CHEPKOECH 06 JUL 1991 KEN KEN 2 Olympiastadion, Berlin (GER) 13 SEP 2020 1219

3 9:16.84 Yekaterina IVONINA 14 JUN 1994 RUS RUS 1 Yelena Yelesina Stadium, Chelyabinsk (RUS) 09 SEP 2020 1201

4 9:20.68 Maruša MIŠMAŠ-ZRIMŠEK 24 OCT 1994 SLO SLO 3 Olympiastadion, Berlin (GER) 13 SEP 2020 1192

5 9:23.86 Olga VOVK 13 FEB 1993 RUS RUS 2 Yelena Yelesina Stadium, Chelyabinsk (RUS) 09 SEP 2020 1184

6 9:27.35 Natalya ARISTARKHOVA 31 OCT 1989 RUS RUS 3 Yelena Yelesina Stadium, Chelyabinsk (RUS) 09 SEP 2020 1175

7 9:28.12 Anna TROPINA 03 NOV 1998 RUS RUS 4 Yelena Yelesina Stadium, Chelyabinsk (RUS) 09 SEP 2020 1173

8 9:30.73 Aimee PRATT 03 OCT 1997 GBR GBR 1 Sportcity Regional Arena, Manchester (GBR) 05 SEP 2020 1167

9 9:32.90 Stella RUTTO 12 DEC 1996 KEN KEN Cluj Arena, Cluj-Napoca (ROU) 04 SEP 2020 1161

10 9:32.95 Rosie CLARKE 17 NOV 1991 GBR GBR 5 Olympiastadion, Berlin (GER) 13 SEP 2020 1161

11 9:34.80 Irene VAN DER REIJKEN 13 AUG 1993 NED NED 6 Olympiastadion, Berlin (GER) 13 SEP 2020 1157

12 9:35.67 Elena BURKARD 10 FEB 1992 GER GER 7 Olympiastadion, Berlin (GER) 13 SEP 2020 1154

13 9:38.04 Michelle FINN 16 DEC 1989 IRL IRL 1 SOPAC, Sydney (AUS) 22 FEB 2020 1149

14 9:41.38 Nataliya STREBKOVA 06 MAR 1995 UKR UKR 1 Cluj Arena, Cluj-Napoca (ROU) 19 SEP 2020 1140

15 9:44.00 Paige CAMPBELL 27 JUN 1996 AUS AUS 2 SOPAC, Sydney (AUS) 22 FEB 2020 1134

16 9:44.01 Genevieve GREGSON 04 AUG 1989 AUS AUS 8 Olympiastadion, Berlin (GER) 13 SEP 2020 1134

17 9:45.37 Alice FINOT 09 FEB 1991 FRA FRA 2 Stade Raymond Troussier, Decines (FRA) 29 AUG 2020 1131

18 9:45.70 Mercy CHEPKURUI 16 SEP 2000 KEN KEN 9 Olympiastadion, Berlin (GER) 13 SEP 2020 1130

19 9:46.14 Roseline CHEPNGETICH 17 JUN 1997 KEN KEN 3 Nyayo National Stadium, Nairobi (KEN) 03 OCT 2020 1129

20 9:48.57 Irene SÁNCHEZ-ESCRIBANO 25 AUG 1992 ESP ESP 1 Estadio Vallehermoso, Madrid (ESP)

You can see from the list that the depth is really lacking in the women’s steeple chase with a huge variation between the first and the 20th runner which is absolutely not the case the men.

One gets the impression of 3000 m steeplechase for women is a refuge event for those ladies who cannot make it on the track in conventional distances without the steeple chase.

Not to diss the 3000 m steeplechase ladies because they are very brave but they rarely have the same lofty credentials as the flat runners.

Original point: Boxberger did she willingly dope? Inconclusive.

Hyving Kiyeng ,

1500 Metres 4:19.35 Kisii (KEN) 02 APR 2016 1055

3000 Metres 8:25.13 Suhaim bin Hamad Stadium, Doha (QAT) 25 SEP 2020 1225

5000 Metres 15:35.04 Nairobi (KEN) 13 JUL 2019 1096

3000 Metres Steeplechase 9:00.01 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 28 MAY 2016

Impressive flat 3000, and steeple, but other times much less so.

Top men at around 8:10 -8:20 are around 3:35 -3:40 or better....much tighter, homogenous depth. Night and day.

Ghost1 wrote:Why dope to be mediocre on the international stage - it does not make sense does it?

The laughs keep on coming.

Ask Christian Hesch or Cathal Lombard?

bejeebus-H-fercrissakes!

“ Know for example the world record holder Kandie Kibiwott don't even have a coach and runs 57:32....” (Emil quote, on Instagram).

Just received a message from Emil on Instagram in which she states that Kibiwott doesn’t even have a coach, and runs 57:32 half.

Interesting.

Ghost1 wrote:

“ Know for example the world record holder Kandie Kibiwott don't even have a coach and runs 57:32....” (Emil quote, on Instagram).

Just received a message from Emil on Instagram in which she states that Kibiwott doesn’t even have a coach, and runs 57:32 half.

Interesting.

Sorry this post was intended for another thread and unrelated to this one apologies.