Not a debate, but seems like US authorities underestimating % people who won't get vaccinated. What you think?

Not gonna do it

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Lead Foil Hat II wrote:

. . . You could easily look at previous year death/estimate and speculate a 3.15 million deaths estimate rather than the 2.95 estimate they lower things to. . .

You can speculate any thing you want. I'm wondering how one calculates such a thing.

For reference, here's a zoomed-in view of the last 10 years of U.S. All Cause Deaths. The lines shows the decadal (2010-2019) linear trend and +/- 3 standard deviation lines.

Gio Urshela has a big game after getting the covid vaccine and taking a day off after a reaction for a day.

But but but... it’s the CDC massaging numbers! Great post as always Monkeys

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

Lead Foil Hat II wrote:

. . . You could easily look at previous year death/estimate and speculate a 3.15 million deaths estimate rather than the 2.95 estimate they lower things to. . .

You can speculate any thing you want. I'm wondering how one calculates such a thing.

For reference, here's a zoomed-in view of the last 10 years of U.S. All Cause Deaths. The lines shows the decadal (2010-2019) linear trend and +/- 3 standard deviation lines.

https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/usAllCauseDeathsByYear3SD.png

DanM wrote:

I know. It's not 1918. But to think that we 21st Century people are world beaters and widespread infectious disease outbreaks can be immediately stopped by experimental vaccination administered to the entire population is arrogance with the potential for disaster.

I hope the mRNA vaccines work for the people who have made the choice to take them.

Vaccines beat COVID and your fearmongering. That ship has sailed. The fearmongers lost :)

Not arrogance -- competence.

2600 bro wrote:

But but but... it’s the CDC massaging numbers!

Great post as always Monkeys

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

You can speculate any thing you want. I'm wondering how one calculates such a thing.

For reference, here's a zoomed-in view of the last 10 years of U.S. All Cause Deaths. The lines shows the decadal (2010-2019) linear trend and +/- 3 standard deviation lines.

https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/usAllCauseDeathsByYear3SD.png

Look, the deniers MUST reject the excess death stats even if it requires staking out completely unteneable logical territory.

To cede excess deaths would be to cede their entire argument.

Excess deaths (along with time/space concordance with COVID tests+deaths) destroys: testing denialism, PCR denialism, with/from COVID denialism, absolute death denialism, "lockdown death" denialism, pre-existing immunity denialism, herd immunity denialism and LOTS more!

Expect deniers to trot out even the most busted, broken, and moronic arguments to explain, distract, and divert excess death stats because they have no choice. It's the one thing they cannot reckon with.

Deep down they know... but they are in far, far too deep to admit that now. 500k dead Americans be damned.

Harambe wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

But but but... it’s the CDC massaging numbers!

Great post as always Monkeys

Look, the deniers MUST reject the excess death stats even if it requires staking out completely unteneable logical territory.

To cede excess deaths would be to cede their entire argument.

Excess deaths (along with time/space concordance with COVID tests+deaths) destroys: testing denialism, PCR denialism, with/from COVID denialism, absolute death denialism, "lockdown death" denialism, pre-existing immunity denialism, herd immunity denialism and LOTS more!

Expect deniers to trot out even the most busted, broken, and moronic arguments to explain, distract, and divert excess death stats because they have no choice. It's the one thing they cannot reckon with.

Deep down they know... but they are in far, far too deep to admit that now. 500k dead Americans be damned.

Did you know that for every 10,000 Americans who should have been alive at the end of 2020, 9,985 were, in fact, alive on December 31, 2020 ?

“Gio Urshela is a good fella” / John Sterling

Gio goes 4 for 5 today after covid vaccine

DanM wrote:

Did you know that for every 10,000 Americans who should have been alive at the end of 2020, 9,985 were, in fact, alive on December 31, 2020 ?

This argument means that ALL causes of death are deemed insignificant. Better close up shop on the NIH, NHTSA, NTSB, FDA, ATF and everything else.

It's the ultimate nuclear option when you have nothing that makes sense in your denial playbook.

"Death is actually good"

Just read on Julia Webb Instagram that her covid case resulted in (so far)only being able to walk one mile twice over the last 17 days. Hope she get well soon but as you can see young healthy people get very sick even though survival rate is good

So yes it’s totally worth getting vaccinated even if you’re young and healthy and can race fast times.

Right.

500k dead from Covid in 2020 produces 500k excess deaths.

This means that none of the people who died from Covid would have otherwise died.

Pretty remarkable given:

1. 40% of Covid deaths took place in nursing homes where 63% of resident die within a year of entry. So 200k of the 500k took place in nursing homes. Ordinarily 126k of these people would have died in 2020 anyway -- but please ignore that. None of them would have died tell you the Covid hucksters. Covid math.

2. Median age greater than 80. But absent Covid, none would have died. Honest.

3. 94% with comorbidities like cancer, heart disease, diabetes. But all would have lived without Covid. Believe me.

500k Covid deaths = 500k excess deaths is laughable.

But the hucksters cling to it

The Unkle wrote:

Right.

500k dead from Covid in 2020 produces 500k excess deaths.

This means that none of the people who died from Covid would have otherwise died.

Pretty remarkable given:

1. 40% of Covid deaths took place in nursing homes where 63% of resident die within a year of entry. So 200k of the 500k took place in nursing homes. Ordinarily 126k of these people would have died in 2020 anyway -- but please ignore that. None of them would have died tell you the Covid hucksters. Covid math.

2. Median age greater than 80. But absent Covid, none would have died. Honest.

3. 94% with comorbidities like cancer, heart disease, diabetes. But all would have lived without Covid. Believe me.

500k Covid deaths = 500k excess deaths is laughable.

But the hucksters cling to it

Here are the CDC's state on excess deaths in the US between January 26 and October 3, 2020, as published on October 23, 2020. I'm not sure which "hucksters" you're referring to, but these state were, of course, prepared by the CDC under the Trump administration.

The top-line finding: "Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66%) excess deaths attributed to COVID-19. The largest percentage increases were seen among adults aged 25–44 years and among Hispanic or Latino persons."

Please be clear: are you calling Trump's CDC "hucksters"? Are you calling Robert Redfield, director during this period, a huckster? Do you think he and his organization during the period in question were inflating excess death statistics? I'd be surprised, frankly, if that's your claim. My assumption is that you imagine you're talking about, say, CNN and MSNBC.

But please clarify.

How can I possibly clarify any further?

500k Covid deaths in 2020 in USA = 500k excess deaths in 2020 in USA is complete nonsense for the reasons listed. Very simple. It is based on the lie that the 500k people said to have died from Covid would have otherwise lived.

Anyone pushing these numbers is a huckster.

Not sure how you can have any confusion

The Unkle wrote:

Right.

500k dead from Covid in 2020 produces 500k excess deaths.

No, excess deaths in 2020 were about 430,000 while Covid deaths were about 365,000.

This means that none of the people who died from Covid would have otherwise died.

That's not actually how statistics works.

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

Right.

500k dead from Covid in 2020 produces 500k excess deaths.

No, excess deaths in 2020 were about 430,000 while Covid deaths were about 365,000.

This means that none of the people who died from Covid would have otherwise died.

That's not actually how statistics works.

Statistics work however you manipulate them.

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

[quote]The Unkle wrote:

Right.

500k dead from Covid in 2020 produces 500k excess deaths.

No, excess deaths in 2020 were about 430,000 while Covid deaths were about 365,000.

You are a Covid "denier" for pushing such low numbers.

They still make no sense for the reasons given earlier.

WE WILL NOT BE VACCINATED!!!!

SUCK ON THAT, democrat fairies!!!