If Chauvin is found not guilty, are people justified in rioting?

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totorious wrote:

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totorious wrote:

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totorious wrote:

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clapback wrote:
If what he did was legal of course there should be outrage. Agents of the government shouldn’t be able to treat citizens that way.

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A post with some perspective. Sorry, but we live in a society that is not completely on board with Chauvin's actions being legal.

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So how should the cops get a resisting person into the back of a vehicle?

How should cops handle a drugged up massive man that is flopping around on the pavement?

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Some way other than kneeling on his neck for the better part of 10 minutes. Come up with a new approach and we can evaluate that.

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Okay, but why change an approach that has had one death in how many years, and that death had a subject that was loaded to the gills with an extremely dangerous drug.

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Because, as I said in my first post, our society is not completely on board with kneeling on unconscious civilians. That's why there will be unrest if it is found to be legal.

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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Whatley wrote:
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Fact.....evil cop who had a history of being over aggreSsive killed a guy and we all saw it, love facts!

In 15 seconds Chauvin had his gun out and tossing f bombs at Floyd. He set the stage.

No......we need to talk sir .......keep in mind this was over a 20 dollar bill.

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When did Chauvin ever pull his gun on Floyd? I think you have the wrong cop.

Just imagine if Floyd would have not resisted? Why resist arrest over a funny money fine?

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Begging for your life as a guy kneels on your neck for nine plus minutes is "resisting" is it?

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Nope, but not going in the police vehicle and not listening to commands is. Thus the reason he needed to be restrained, right?

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Exactly why does someone need to be restrained who is not threatening anyone or posing a danger to anyone and whose only alleged offence of passing a dud bill can be met with a fine? Oh, I forgot - he's a black man and when a white cop says" jump" he has to jump. Yep, as you say, he has to abide by their "commands". Another variation of -"you looking at me, boy?" Didn't matter that he kept saying "Sorry" and "sir". He obviously needed a lesson.

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If GF would have took a seat in the police vehicle then he would not have need to be restrained.

For you to continue to deny this simple fact is so typical of you! When they put GF on the ground - did he, or did he not, lay on the ground calmly? ANSWER THAT QUESTION, PLEASE.

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When he was on the ground he wasn't resisting. But you fail to answer the question of why did they need to restrain him when he wasn't attacking or even threatening anyone. Why did he need to be put in the police vehicle? He had supposedly passed off a dud bill, for f*ck sake, a minor offence that at the most would incur a fine. A virtual parking infringement. The police escalated the situation from the moment they approached him, first threatening him with a pistol, and then ultimately killing him.

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If you want to call what he was doing something else when he was placed on the ground flopping around and required three police officers attention, let us know what YOU call that.

So you think the cops should have just written him a ticket for using fake money and let an impaired person operate a vehicle? I'm actually disappointed that the other two in his vehicle weren't also arrested.

There would have been know escalation if he would have showed his hands and listened and done what he was asked to do.

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'Flopping around'?! How dangerous is that! "Let's suffocate the s.o.b to death!"

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and you would be the one who would blame the cops for not restraining a person having a seizure, or reaction to drugs and flops around and smashes their face into the pavement. Do you have Monday morning quarterbacks in your country?

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No, I wouldn't. It wasn't a job for the police but for medical professionals. They are less likely to murder someone.

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Exactly! But for EMS to work on someone they have to be subdued, right?

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You mean suffocated, dont you? How "subdued" does he have to be, lying on the ground, handcuffed and not offering resistance?

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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totorious wrote:

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clapback wrote:
If what he did was legal of course there should be outrage. Agents of the government shouldn’t be able to treat citizens that way.

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A post with some perspective. Sorry, but we live in a society that is not completely on board with Chauvin's actions being legal.

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So how should the cops get a resisting person into the back of a vehicle?

How should cops handle a drugged up massive man that is flopping around on the pavement?

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Maybe the police should let trained medical people handle that situation? Instead of killing him.

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Yes, that is why they called the ambulance, and most people don't die while being restrained.

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Bingo. They die when a policeman keeps his knee on their neck for 9'29". But most policemen don't do that.

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Most criminals don't act like GF did or abuse drugs like he did. The average criminal knows they are done once handcuffed and don't resist going into a police car, so a long restraint typically isn't needed.

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totorious wrote:

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totorious wrote:

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totorious wrote:

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clapback wrote:
If what he did was legal of course there should be outrage. Agents of the government shouldn’t be able to treat citizens that way.

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A post with some perspective. Sorry, but we live in a society that is not completely on board with Chauvin's actions being legal.

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So how should the cops get a resisting person into the back of a vehicle?

How should cops handle a drugged up massive man that is flopping around on the pavement?

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Some way other than kneeling on his neck for the better part of 10 minutes. Come up with a new approach and we can evaluate that.

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Okay, but why change an approach that has had one death in how many years, and that death had a subject that was loaded to the gills with an extremely dangerous drug.

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Because, as I said in my first post, our society is not completely on board with kneeling on unconscious civilians. That's why there will be unrest if it is found to be legal.

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Was GF unconscious when the restraint began?

Are most people in society okay with drug use, driving while impaired, drug dealers, and resisting the police?

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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The Unkle wrote:

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Whatley wrote:
Guys like me register so we own our opinions,

Fact.....evil cop who had a history of being over aggreSsive killed a guy and we all saw it, love facts!

In 15 seconds Chauvin had his gun out and tossing f bombs at Floyd. He set the stage.

No......we need to talk sir .......keep in mind this was over a 20 dollar bill.

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When did Chauvin ever pull his gun on Floyd? I think you have the wrong cop.

Just imagine if Floyd would have not resisted? Why resist arrest over a funny money fine?

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Begging for your life as a guy kneels on your neck for nine plus minutes is "resisting" is it?

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Nope, but not going in the police vehicle and not listening to commands is. Thus the reason he needed to be restrained, right?

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Exactly why does someone need to be restrained who is not threatening anyone or posing a danger to anyone and whose only alleged offence of passing a dud bill can be met with a fine? Oh, I forgot - he's a black man and when a white cop says" jump" he has to jump. Yep, as you say, he has to abide by their "commands". Another variation of -"you looking at me, boy?" Didn't matter that he kept saying "Sorry" and "sir". He obviously needed a lesson.

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If GF would have took a seat in the police vehicle then he would not have need to be restrained.

For you to continue to deny this simple fact is so typical of you! When they put GF on the ground - did he, or did he not, lay on the ground calmly? ANSWER THAT QUESTION, PLEASE.

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When he was on the ground he wasn't resisting. But you fail to answer the question of why did they need to restrain him when he wasn't attacking or even threatening anyone. Why did he need to be put in the police vehicle? He had supposedly passed off a dud bill, for f*ck sake, a minor offence that at the most would incur a fine. A virtual parking infringement. The police escalated the situation from the moment they approached him, first threatening him with a pistol, and then ultimately killing him.

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If you want to call what he was doing something else when he was placed on the ground flopping around and required three police officers attention, let us know what YOU call that.

So you think the cops should have just written him a ticket for using fake money and let an impaired person operate a vehicle? I'm actually disappointed that the other two in his vehicle weren't also arrested.

There would have been know escalation if he would have showed his hands and listened and done what he was asked to do.

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'Flopping around'?! How dangerous is that! "Let's suffocate the s.o.b to death!"

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and you would be the one who would blame the cops for not restraining a person having a seizure, or reaction to drugs and flops around and smashes their face into the pavement. Do you have Monday morning quarterbacks in your country?

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No, I wouldn't. It wasn't a job for the police but for medical professionals. They are less likely to murder someone.

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Exactly! But for EMS to work on someone they have to be subdued, right?

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You mean suffocated, dont you? How "subdued" does he have to be, lying on the ground, handcuffed and not offering resistance?

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No suffocation with that restraint.

He needs to be not resisting to receive medical care.

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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totorious wrote:

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clapback wrote:
If what he did was legal of course there should be outrage. Agents of the government shouldn’t be able to treat citizens that way.

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A post with some perspective. Sorry, but we live in a society that is not completely on board with Chauvin's actions being legal.

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So how should the cops get a resisting person into the back of a vehicle?

How should cops handle a drugged up massive man that is flopping around on the pavement?

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Maybe the police should let trained medical people handle that situation? Instead of killing him.

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Yes, that is why they called the ambulance, and most people don't die while being restrained.

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Bingo. They die when a policeman keeps his knee on their neck for 9'29". But most policemen don't do that.

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Most criminals don't act like GF did or abuse drugs like he did. The average criminal knows they are done once handcuffed and don't resist going into a police car, so a long restraint typically isn't needed.

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So you're a criminologist as well as an MD? You know how most criminals will behave - even though a fair whack of them may be juiced out of their brains even more than Floyd.

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These George Floyd threads are an indictment of American society. The prejudice that runs through them goes back years in the US - centuries, in fact - and is like the experience of wading through vomit on the pavement.

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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The Unkle wrote:

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Whatley wrote:
Guys like me register so we own our opinions,

Fact.....evil cop who had a history of being over aggreSsive killed a guy and we all saw it, love facts!

In 15 seconds Chauvin had his gun out and tossing f bombs at Floyd. He set the stage.

No......we need to talk sir .......keep in mind this was over a 20 dollar bill.

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When did Chauvin ever pull his gun on Floyd? I think you have the wrong cop.

Just imagine if Floyd would have not resisted? Why resist arrest over a funny money fine?

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Begging for your life as a guy kneels on your neck for nine plus minutes is "resisting" is it?

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Nope, but not going in the police vehicle and not listening to commands is. Thus the reason he needed to be restrained, right?

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Exactly why does someone need to be restrained who is not threatening anyone or posing a danger to anyone and whose only alleged offence of passing a dud bill can be met with a fine? Oh, I forgot - he's a black man and when a white cop says" jump" he has to jump. Yep, as you say, he has to abide by their "commands". Another variation of -"you looking at me, boy?" Didn't matter that he kept saying "Sorry" and "sir". He obviously needed a lesson.

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If GF would have took a seat in the police vehicle then he would not have need to be restrained.

For you to continue to deny this simple fact is so typical of you! When they put GF on the ground - did he, or did he not, lay on the ground calmly? ANSWER THAT QUESTION, PLEASE.

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When he was on the ground he wasn't resisting. But you fail to answer the question of why did they need to restrain him when he wasn't attacking or even threatening anyone. Why did he need to be put in the police vehicle? He had supposedly passed off a dud bill, for f*ck sake, a minor offence that at the most would incur a fine. A virtual parking infringement. The police escalated the situation from the moment they approached him, first threatening him with a pistol, and then ultimately killing him.

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If you want to call what he was doing something else when he was placed on the ground flopping around and required three police officers attention, let us know what YOU call that.

So you think the cops should have just written him a ticket for using fake money and let an impaired person operate a vehicle? I'm actually disappointed that the other two in his vehicle weren't also arrested.

There would have been know escalation if he would have showed his hands and listened and done what he was asked to do.

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'Flopping around'?! How dangerous is that! "Let's suffocate the s.o.b to death!"

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and you would be the one who would blame the cops for not restraining a person having a seizure, or reaction to drugs and flops around and smashes their face into the pavement. Do you have Monday morning quarterbacks in your country?

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No, I wouldn't. It wasn't a job for the police but for medical professionals. They are less likely to murder someone.

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Exactly! But for EMS to work on someone they have to be subdued, right?

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You mean suffocated, dont you? How "subdued" does he have to be, lying on the ground, handcuffed and not offering resistance?

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No suffocation with that restraint.

He needs to be not resisting to receive medical care.

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Righty. So let's kill him so he isn't resisting - and then we can give him medical care. Do you really have an IQ of 40?

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Armstronglivs wrote:
These George Floyd threads are an indictment of American society. The prejudice that runs through them goes back years in the US - centuries, in fact - and is like the experience of wading through vomit on the pavement.

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Armstronglivs wrote:
These George Floyd threads are an indictment of American society. The prejudice that runs through them goes back years in the US - centuries, in fact - and is like the experience of wading through vomit on the pavement.

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I would feel the same way about this case if all involved were white. Can you say the same?

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totorious wrote:

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totorious wrote:

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totorious wrote:

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totorious wrote:

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clapback wrote:
If what he did was legal of course there should be outrage. Agents of the government shouldn’t be able to treat citizens that way.

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A post with some perspective. Sorry, but we live in a society that is not completely on board with Chauvin's actions being legal.

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So how should the cops get a resisting person into the back of a vehicle?

How should cops handle a drugged up massive man that is flopping around on the pavement?

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Some way other than kneeling on his neck for the better part of 10 minutes. Come up with a new approach and we can evaluate that.

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Okay, but why change an approach that has had one death in how many years, and that death had a subject that was loaded to the gills with an extremely dangerous drug.

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Because, as I said in my first post, our society is not completely on board with kneeling on unconscious civilians. That's why there will be unrest if it is found to be legal.

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Was GF unconscious when the restraint began?

Are most people in society okay with drug use, driving while impaired, drug dealers, and resisting the police?

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Why are you trying to have an argument with me? Do you think that will lead to our society being okay with police kneeling on unconscious civilians? Or do you just want to argue?

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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Armstronglivs wrote:
These George Floyd threads are an indictment of American society. The prejudice that runs through them goes back years in the US - centuries, in fact - and is like the experience of wading through vomit on the pavement.

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I would feel the same way about this case if all involved were white. Can you say the same?

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You are missing a crucial dimension, that white men with power - the police - yet again killed an unarmed black man. The US has a painful history of this. It is why so many black Americans took to the streets last year in protest. They have had enough.

At one level, yes, it is true that in terms of the criminality of the act it makes no difference that Chauvin killed a black man rather than a white man; in either instance it is an awful crime. But how likely is it that Chauvin and his fellow officers would have treated a white person as they did Floyd?

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[quote]Armstronglivs wrote:
These George Floyd threads are an indictment of American society. The prejudice that runs through them goes back years in the US - centuries, in fact - and is like the experience of wading through vomit on the pavement.

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I would feel the same way about this case if all involved were white. Can you say the same?

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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[quote]Armstronglivs wrote:
These George Floyd threads are an indictment of American society. The prejudice that runs through them goes back years in the US - centuries, in fact - and is like the experience of wading through vomit on the pavement.

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I would feel the same way about this case if all involved were white. Can you say the same?

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You are missing a crucial dimension, that white men with power - the police - yet again killed an unarmed black man. The US has a painful history of this. It is why so many black Americans took to the streets last year in protest. They have had enough.

At one level, yes, it is true that in terms of the criminality of the act it makes no difference that Chauvin killed a black man rather than a white man; in either instance it is an awful crime. But how likely is it that Chauvin and his fellow officers would have treated a white person as they did Floyd?[/quote]

Look at the stats. Don't comply, increase your chances you will die. Race is not the factor, it's compliance.

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I get the feeling Don Lemon Wants Chauvin to be found Guilty.
I get the feeling Steven Colbert wants Chauvin to be acquitted.

Aren't Celebrities supposed to at least act Neutral?

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55YO wrote:
Riots? No.
Protests? Yes.

The guy is certainly guilty of a wrongful death. It wasn't premeditated murder, but it was something on down the scale where he is guilty of a crime in causing the death of Floyd.

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Whatley wrote:
Guys like me register so we own our opinions,

Fact.....evil cop who had a history of being over aggreSsive killed a guy and we all saw it, love facts!

In 15 seconds Chauvin had his gun out and tossing f bombs at Floyd. He set the stage.

No......we need to talk sir .......keep in mind this was over a 20 dollar bill.

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When did Chauvin ever pull his gun on Floyd? I think you have the wrong cop.

Just imagine if Floyd would have not resisted? Why resist arrest over a funny money fine?

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Begging for your life as a guy kneels on your neck for nine plus minutes is "resisting" is it?

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Nope, but not going in the police vehicle and not listening to commands is. Thus the reason he needed to be restrained, right?

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Exactly why does someone need to be restrained who is not threatening anyone or posing a danger to anyone and whose only alleged offence of passing a dud bill can be met with a fine? Oh, I forgot - he's a black man and when a white cop says" jump" he has to jump. Yep, as you say, he has to abide by their "commands". Another variation of -"you looking at me, boy?" Didn't matter that he kept saying "Sorry" and "sir". He obviously needed a lesson.

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If GF would have took a seat in the police vehicle then he would not have need to be restrained.

For you to continue to deny this simple fact is so typical of you! When they put GF on the ground - did he, or did he not, lay on the ground calmly? ANSWER THAT QUESTION, PLEASE.

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When he was on the ground he wasn't resisting. But you fail to answer the question of why did they need to restrain him when he wasn't attacking or even threatening anyone. Why did he need to be put in the police vehicle? He had supposedly passed off a dud bill, for f*ck sake, a minor offence that at the most would incur a fine. A virtual parking infringement. The police escalated the situation from the moment they approached him, first threatening him with a pistol, and then ultimately killing him.

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If you want to call what he was doing something else when he was placed on the ground flopping around and required three police officers attention, let us know what YOU call that.

So you think the cops should have just written him a ticket for using fake money and let an impaired person operate a vehicle? I'm actually disappointed that the other two in his vehicle weren't also arrested.

There would have been know escalation if he would have showed his hands and listened and done what he was asked to do.

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'Flopping around'?! How dangerous is that! "Let's suffocate the s.o.b to death!"

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and you would be the one who would blame the cops for not restraining a person having a seizure, or reaction to drugs and flops around and smashes their face into the pavement. Do you have Monday morning quarterbacks in your country?

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No, I wouldn't. It wasn't a job for the police but for medical professionals. They are less likely to murder someone.

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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Not CNN wrote:

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The Unkle wrote:

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Not CNN wrote:

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Whatley wrote:
Guys like me register so we own our opinions,

Fact.....evil cop who had a history of being over aggreSsive killed a guy and we all saw it, love facts!

In 15 seconds Chauvin had his gun out and tossing f bombs at Floyd. He set the stage.

No......we need to talk sir .......keep in mind this was over a 20 dollar bill.

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When did Chauvin ever pull his gun on Floyd? I think you have the wrong cop.

Just imagine if Floyd would have not resisted? Why resist arrest over a funny money fine?

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Begging for your life as a guy kneels on your neck for nine plus minutes is "resisting" is it?

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Nope, but not going in the police vehicle and not listening to commands is. Thus the reason he needed to be restrained, right?

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Exactly why does someone need to be restrained who is not threatening anyone or posing a danger to anyone and whose only alleged offence of passing a dud bill can be met with a fine? Oh, I forgot - he's a black man and when a white cop says" jump" he has to jump. Yep, as you say, he has to abide by their "commands". Another variation of -"you looking at me, boy?" Didn't matter that he kept saying "Sorry" and "sir". He obviously needed a lesson.

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If GF would have took a seat in the police vehicle then he would not have need to be restrained.

For you to continue to deny this simple fact is so typical of you! When they put GF on the ground - did he, or did he not, lay on the ground calmly? ANSWER THAT QUESTION, PLEASE.

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When he was on the ground he wasn't resisting. But you fail to answer the question of why did they need to restrain him when he wasn't attacking or even threatening anyone. Why did he need to be put in the police vehicle? He had supposedly passed off a dud bill, for f*ck sake, a minor offence that at the most would incur a fine. A virtual parking infringement. The police escalated the situation from the moment they approached him, first threatening him with a pistol, and then ultimately killing him.

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If you want to call what he was doing something else when he was placed on the ground flopping around and required three police officers attention, let us know what YOU call that.

So you think the cops should have just written him a ticket for using fake money and let an impaired person operate a vehicle? I'm actually disappointed that the other two in his vehicle weren't also arrested.

There would have been know escalation if he would have showed his hands and listened and done what he was asked to do.

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'Flopping around'?! How dangerous is that! "Let's suffocate the s.o.b to death!"

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and you would be the one who would blame the cops for not restraining a person having a seizure, or reaction to drugs and flops around and smashes their face into the pavement. Do you have Monday morning quarterbacks in your country?

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No, I wouldn't. It wasn't a job for the police but for medical professionals. They are less likely to murder someone.

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What? Medical professionals deliberately kill about 700,000 innocent unborn human beings in the USA annually. Bizarrely, BLM calls for direct abortion though in the USA it is the leading cause of death of blacks (though not always tabulated that way). I understand that you live in New Zealand which just made direct abortion much more accessible. Who does those killings? Ah, yes, medical professionals. But they don't usually call it "killing;" rather, they usually call it "health care."

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douglas burke wrote:
I get the feeling Don Lemon Wants Chauvin to be found Guilty.
I get the feeling Steven Colbert wants Chauvin to be acquitted.

Aren't Celebrities supposed to at least act Neutral?

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