quite possible wrote:
anonymous maximis wrote:
American Fork's 16:41 4x1600 national record is certainly doable, if not this year, then next.
I honestly think they can do it this year. AF’s first leg ran a 4:25 at that time.
So we have Collin Salhman running around 4:05, Lex and Leo Young both around 4:12, and then Aaron Sahlman probably around the same time as he ran a 1:54 800m last week and seems to be a strong XC runner. That puts them right around AF's 4x1600 record.
Last night at Sound Running event Newbury Park just tweeted:
Guys:
Colin Sahlman(1500m) 3:46.39
Leo Young ( Mile) 4:10.95
Lex Young ( Mile) 4:12.15
Girls:
Sam McDonnell ( Mile) 4:48.41
Ailish Hawkins ( Mile) 5:05.78
Colin with pro competition. Very nice.
PeanutButterJelly wrote:
Just to be clear, in some states a school with 2,000 students would be one of the largest, if not THE largest school in the whole state. I know CA is different, but that's still not even a medium sized school by any stretch of the imagination.
Also, talent does exist. Saying otherwise proves you have no idea what you're talking about.
I've recently started paying attention to this.
Firstly, NP has ~2500 students; Great Oak has 3200 students.
Secondly, at least in the case of NP, the 'talent' has risen to the top from club-racing since the time some of them were in second grade. I think this is an unusual situation compared to the rest of the US. I was not even aware of such a thing when I was a kid.
coco nuts wrote:
Old Man Runners wrote:
I predict they'll have two of their sophomores under 4 before they graduate. They'll have Colin sub-4 next year. Has ANY school had 3 sub-4 milers in their history?
This is possibly the greatest distance team, by quality, in high school history.
You know why? They do speed year round and INCREASE their mileage going into middle of cross country season. A big middle finger to Arthur Lydiard system Brojos preach.
Let me boil this down. They aren’t doing anything revolutionary that many high school programs don’t do. Here is why they are so great.
1) they have a coach who is passionate, has a solid understanding of training and gets the kids to believe and buy in. He may be a tool as many have posted out, but can’t deny the above.
2) they have an incredibly deep pool of talent that came to the school in a short period. The history of the kids on the team has been talked about on threads MANY times. It’s undeniable they are loaded like no other team has ever been.
3) they come from a demographic that supports their efforts like few areas could. They spend a month in Big Bear, have gone on at least 5 trips out of state which undoubtably weren’t cheap. The parents are all in when it comes to supporting their kids and the team. Most schools could not get that kind of support.
4) with that amount of talent and buy in, those kids are pushing each other every day to be the best they can be. The competing culture must be insane!
The combination of the above points has created a never seen before (and probably never to be seen again) team. Remove any one of the points and they would be excellent, but not what they are.
Regarding point 4), the 'competing culture' started in weekend meets when the kids were in grade school. Most kids around the country do not have that opportunity, nor the 'environment', as you say.
I gathered the Great Oak team may be even more of a 'competing culture' once the kids are in high school. There are over 100 athletes to choose from on the girls and boys teams (combined). They run sweepstakes races, and a TT in order to compete and find out which ones get to go to altitude camp. Their B team varsity would likely best a lot of teams elsewhere.
Here is a 'what if': "What if" the 'combination' (or even coming close to it) could be replicated in at least 20 other places around the country. It seems if that were the case, the US would be able to compete with the East Africans on the world stage.
Great team but come on, how many kids there need to work after school? Median income 150,000/yr.
No worries, just training. Major advantage.
They always seem to put on a show. They are literally rewriting the High School history books.
Ha, 4:10 miles suck if you're an 8:40 kid. What's up with Brosnan's training?
DI Coach Here wrote:
Ha, 4:10 miles suck if you're an 8:40 kid. What's up with Brosnan's training?
The other 8:43 guy Collin Sahlman ran a 3:46 which is like a 4:03 mile. The Youngs in general seem to be more slow-twich, Nico ran 3:44 a week before his 13:24 5000.
subjective observer wrote:
DI Coach Here wrote:
Ha, 4:10 miles suck if you're an 8:40 kid. What's up with Brosnan's training?
The other 8:43 guy Collin Sahlman ran a 3:46 which is like a 4:03 mile. The Youngs in general seem to be more slow-twich, Nico ran 3:44 a week before his 13:24 5000.
I think you’re over analyzing this. This race only went out in 4:12-4:14 pace. They closed really well. Especially Leo who won. Did you see his finish, his last 150m ? The Young’s just raced to the environment. They are leaning how to compete and race.
Nico also just ran 3:44 at altitude yesterday at Big Sky. I’m sure he can run 3:39-3:40 at sea level. I don’t know the altitude conversion, but I’m sure it’s fast or around that
Best Coast wrote:
subjective observer wrote:
The other 8:43 guy Collin Sahlman ran a 3:46 which is like a 4:03 mile. The Youngs in general seem to be more slow-twich, Nico ran 3:44 a week before his 13:24 5000.
I think you’re over analyzing this. This race only went out in 4:12-4:14 pace. They closed really well. Especially Leo who won. Did you see his finish, his last 150m ? The Young’s just raced to the environment. They are leaning how to compete and race.
Nico also just ran 3:44 at altitude yesterday at Big Sky. I’m sure he can run 3:39-3:40 at sea level. I don’t know the altitude conversion, but I’m sure it’s fast or around that
I didn't watch either of their races, so my bad for throwing out some random thoughts based on their overall time lol.
Newbury Park had 4 guys under 9 minutes at Arcadia, not 3.
anonymous minimus wrote:
quite possible wrote:
I honestly think they can do it this year. AF’s first leg ran a 4:25 at that time.
So we have Collin Salhman running around 4:05, Lex and Leo Young both around 4:12, and then Aaron Sahlman probably around the same time as he ran a 1:54 800m last week and seems to be a strong XC runner. That puts them right around AF's 4x1600 record.
It is a bit hard to have 4 guys run great races on the same day. Especially with relays where you could be time trialing most of the way. I do hope they take a shot at it...
It’s crazy to think how many state medalists in other states wouldn’t make their top 7 in XC. They would be JV at NP lol
More incredible times from Newbury Park tonight- Aaron Sahlman, the Arcadia mile champ, ran 4:08 today, with Leo Young just behind in 4:10. Both are sophomores.
Where was this? Any links?
https://ca.milesplit.com/meets/432801-marmonte-league-prelimsfinals-2021/results/752152/formatted#.YK_N0iU8IlSanonymous maximis wrote:
Where was this? Any links?
Dev Doshi is the only distance freshman at Newbury Park that’s elite right now.
It will be interesting how NP stacks up nationally after class of 2023 graduates.
Colin Sahlman is sometimes listed as a sophomore, and sometimes as a junior. Anyone know which it is?
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