death before dishonor
death before dishonor
Always thought this was pretty interesting, from the site a few years back.
MidFootStriker wrote:
Also anyone know if any of the girls had muscular issues. There was a good high school Runner who would collapse at the end of high school races. I think she had MS. Or MD muscular dystrophy. Anyway just curious if a few of the runners might have had some condition where they had a difficult time after races in general
That was Kayla Montgomery. Her condition is extremely rare for a runner. Females seem to always collapse at the end of races at a far higher rate than men.
Rio steeplechase, for example
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Gillgan wrote:
Dudek Stanford, WTF....
you can get a glimpse of her at the finish and she was on fumes. And Donaghu (much earlier). Not sure what happened to those two.
Dudek was injured. Not sure what happened to their number one, she looked really good at about 5k and lost control of her body at about 5.6 k. Feels like a Bermuda triangle out there in that last half k.
Bonkers wrote:
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/04/science-explain-many-women-men-collapse-end-races/Always thought this was pretty interesting, from the site a few years back.
Thanks for this. Sudden drop in blood pressure after stopping running. Makes sense. Happened to me after a swim, had to lie down, and could barely move.
MidFootStriker wrote:
BYU took over the lead at the 4K mark. So it's not like NC State really lost anything in the last two k's. They still won second by a pretty good margin
Also anyone know if any of the girls had muscular issues. There was a good high school Runner who would collapse at the end of high school races. I think she had MS. Or MD muscular dystrophy. Anyway just curious if a few of the runners might have had some condition where they had a difficult time after races in general
You don't "win second". You lose first.
During XC, it gets hammered home time and time again how important every place is. So as some of these kids are running this crazy course and start to get a little gassed, panic sets in as people inch by or one falls off a pack. So the runner throws into overdrive (out of fear of being the reason the team scored poorly) to try to keep up and it just wrecks the body.
And on this course, not running a smooth and steady effort while letting any emotion play into this, is a recipe for disaster. The pace variations from the mens leader told some of the story. Kiptoo opened at just over 4:00 pace, but then during one of the harder Ks ran 5:20 pace.
Some of these girls will be going from cold cloudy weather training to warm sunny racing with no time to acclimate.
bigmig19 wrote:
FastTuohy wrote:
you can get a glimpse of her at the finish and she was on fumes. And Donaghu (much earlier). Not sure what happened to those two.
Dudek was injured. Not sure what happened to their number one, she looked really good at about 5k and lost control of her body at about 5.6 k. Feels like a Bermuda triangle out there in that last half k.
yes it was almost hard to watch. Orton got gapped incredibly quickly when she got to the last hill at about 17:20
It's the same thing that happens at a Bieber concert. copycat behavior.
after watching the video here are my thoughts...
props to the athletes who did the indoor/xc double... the AF, Rice, Stanford girls come to mind but I am sure there were others who did well in both... that takes mental toughness and not many would be able to handle it.. (hopefully none of them are now fried for the outdoor campaign)
hard to know from the video or the commentator hyperbole but the hill on the 3k/6k section must have been very challenging... perhaps course knowledge helped some (note the OSU athlete - seemed to hold back the first 2k)
XC championship races always always go out way too hard... unfortunately most runners feel better on the front end and very few runners are able to make their way through the field from the back of the pack in a race of this caliber.....so of course this forces many to go out way too hard and the result is many fade over the final ks.
final thought, watching the end of the video, i noticed 5-10 weaving aimlessly towards the finish over the final 200m... looked like the finish of a marathon in the heat.... i'd guess dehydration may have played a big part in that along with the early fast pace.
Carnage is definitely a good word for it.
I don't think it is uncommon for women to go to the ground after finishing,
but there were at least 10 who either went down before finishing or were
stumbling and barely staying upright.
I don't think any of the men went down, but there were a few that were
threatening to.
So I think it is mainly the course, the last k begins with a pretty good upgrade
that yesterday was into a pretty good wind--if you hit the wall at that point
you are in trouble. Looks like Callie Logue, for example, went from 10th
to 126th in the last k.
The number 1 CSU runner was mentioned up thread, but she apparently
got stepped on and her heel gashed at 3-4k. The last k she was limping on it, so
unrelated.
stanford women did not to indoor track
maybe it's something else wrote:
stanford women did not to indoor track
thanks for the correction on that.... still props to those who did
15_50 wrote:
maybe it's something else wrote:
stanford women did not to indoor track
thanks for the correction on that.... still props to those who did
4 of NC States top 5 ran in at least 3 indoor meets, including the NCAA championships (but none after Friday night). Tuohy and Shaw did enough track work to be competitive if not great on DMR legs.
15_50 wrote:
maybe it's something else wrote:
stanford women did not to indoor track
thanks for the correction on that.... still props to those who did
No problem. The most impressive performance in my opinion is definitely one of the people that you mentioned, the air force girl. Two 4th place finishes days apart & I had never heard of her before this.
Bonkers wrote:
Always thought this was pretty interesting, from the site a few years back.
That’s the article I was looking for!
Came across this, also interesting, extreme form of bloop pressure drop:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2015/06/15/sports/race-after-race-teenager-crosses-finish-line-then-collapses.amp.html%3f0p19G=0232It was 59 degrees and screaming winds, this rules out heat exhaustion. Dehydration? common this isn't the Doha 2019 WC marathon!
#1 they went out wayyy too hard, same in the men's race. There's something physiological that happens to some women more than men that results in total collapse. Happens occasionally to the men at maybe 5% the women's rate of collapse.
XC 2020 in 2021 wrote:
The warm weather got to some of them. Low 60’s can feel like 90 if you have been training in 30’s - 40’s. I hate to say it but there could be some small amount of drama in it too. When you haven’t run well and people are just flopping all around you, it could be tempting just to fall out too. There were a fair amount of male runners on the ground after the race so I think mostly the warm conditions for March was the issue today.
You may be the ONLY person ever to say 60 degrees is too warm to run in. It doesn't matter what temp you come from, it was also very windy which drops the temp a bit. Here's a thought, how about how tough was too tough?
Sorry.....Excuses, Excuses, and Excuses.
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It was an actual cross country course and not a grass track. With everyone holding nothing back because its a championship. That’s why there was so much “carnage.” It was a beautiful sight to behold.
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