1. Hillary Bor NIKE/U.S. Army WCS 8:18.05
2. Stanley Kebenei NIKE WCS 8:19.12
3. Andy Bayer NIKE WCS 8:23.23
4. Benard Keter NIKE/U.S. Army 8:37.6
5. Mason Ferlic NIKE WCS 8:37.99
turns out none of the finishers ahead of him were wearing supershoe prototypes just regular old Mamba spikes
https://www.letsrun.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/IMG_0593.jpgFerlic talks way too much. The fans love it and the sponsors hate it. He will be without a contract for the rest of his career.
I didn’t listen to this interview but I did listen to his flotrack interview and the things that really bugged me was that he prefaces his statement with “I’m an engineer” and then claims the spikes give you 10 seconds over 5k. But he doesn’t give any evidence or doesn’t cite any studies, just pulls a random number out of thin air and wants us to believe it cause he’s an engineer. Does he cite any reasonable sources in his citius mag interview?
... and then came 14th in the final if he made it that far.
Doha was October 2019 - probably better for him to think to the next 18 months , not the last 18 months
Anyone else watch the recent 5k? The chump clicked everyone’s heels and refused to take a pull in the glorified time trial.
Looks like a big exaggeration, but my kid is now a believer in the
shoes even for cross country.
Div 1 college.
On the girls side, none of the team wore the shoes until the conference
meet where 1 did. That girl moved from back half of the team finish
to front half. On the guys side most of them have been using the shoes
and the one that hadn't been and wore 'em for the conference meet also
moved from the back half to the front half on the team.
From the two examples above looks like a good 20-30 second effect
over the low 20's race time--so a couple percent.
For Monday's race, I believe it is supposed to rain over the next few days
so the course at OSU I assume will be pretty soft and equalize the shoes,
but if not, they are a definite factor.
What a loser. With that victim mindset it's almost inevitable that he won't be making any world/olympic teams.
He's been clipping the heels since the Big Ten days.
I'm surprised he honestly thinks it's the shoes, and by 10 seconds in a 5k. No way it's 10 seconds in a 5k. Chelimo just ran what, 13:12 last weekend? So we're to expect that Chelimo is only in 13:22 shape with old spikes when he thinks he's in AR shape? We normally see a bunch of people running around 13:10, there better be a whole bunch of guys in the 12:57-13:02 range this year. Seven years ago Hassan and True ran 13:02 and a whole crew of Americans were close behind in sub 13:10. As time goes on more people run fast, why aren't we allowed to have people running faster than 13:02 if it happened back then? There are a lot of people running fast with the new spikes but there are also a lot of people NOT running fast who are wearing them and used to be fast, and a lot of people running fast from other shoe brands. Brookes and NB women both just went sub 15, two of the top 20 Americans of all time and not with the Dragonfly, people are just getting faster and have a full year of better training due to fewer races.
like anything, this is out of context ...
“The access to tech is probably more of an issue. I think the closer you are to the Portland center, I think you have access to perks and technology that athletes even wearing the Nike kit (I’m here in Ann Arbor) didn’t have first access to. Whether that’s intentional or not, it’s kind of creating a concentration of the rich gets richer. I remember watching the 2019 U.S. Champs in Des Moines and seeing some footwear on other Nike athletes’ feet and being like, ‘Hmm…What are those spikes? Can I get a pair?’ ‘Oh sorry we don’t have any more models’ or ‘We’re only making them in size 10 for a couple of people.’ You look at how some of those athletes finished at the championships and obviously, there’s some bias. The best athletes are going to get access to the best tech but I think that was the first time people were using them in competition and I think the results showed. I have to wonder if I had gotten the super shoes in 2019, maybe I would’ve made a spot on the team for Doha that year? It’s totally reasonable knowing now that they are great. Who knows? That’s a big if. I’m not salty about it in any way. I just think it’s a question that now we’re looking at and these shoes are prying open this pandora’s box of who had them when. Is there being controlled access or priority access to some athletes or groups?”
Take a look at the Doha 2019 1500m final, it seems like only the top nike athletes had access to the dragonflies/air zoom victories. Athletes competing for a spot at worlds were put at a disadvantage. He definitely has a point, I don't think he would have made it to Doha personally but it must suck to know you're not on a level playing field, even at the pro level.
out of context wrote:
like anything, this is out of context ...
“The access to tech is probably more of an issue. I think the closer you are to the Portland center, I think you have access to perks and technology that athletes even wearing the Nike kit (I’m here in Ann Arbor) didn’t have first access to. Whether that’s intentional or not, it’s kind of creating a concentration of the rich gets richer. I remember watching the 2019 U.S. Champs in Des Moines and seeing some footwear on other Nike athletes’ feet and being like, ‘Hmm…What are those spikes? Can I get a pair?’ ‘Oh sorry we don’t have any more models’ or ‘We’re only making them in size 10 for a couple of people.’ You look at how some of those athletes finished at the championships and obviously, there’s some bias. The best athletes are going to get access to the best tech but I think that was the first time people were using them in competition and I think the results showed. I have to wonder if I had gotten the super shoes in 2019, maybe I would’ve made a spot on the team for Doha that year? It’s totally reasonable knowing now that they are great. Who knows? That’s a big if. I’m not salty about it in any way. I just think it’s a question that now we’re looking at and these shoes are prying open this pandora’s box of who had them when. Is there being controlled access or priority access to some athletes or groups?”
Take a look at the Doha 2019 1500m final, it seems like only the top nike athletes had access to the dragonflies/air zoom victories. Athletes competing for a spot at worlds were put at a disadvantage. He definitely has a point, I don't think he would have made it to Doha personally but it must suck to know you're not on a level playing field, even at the pro level.
Agreed on this being taken out of context by the OP. Reading the whole interview, Ferlic has a broader and more-comprehensive view that's not out of line.
Maybe his personality and general attitude is a little whiny, but I think the points he make stand.
Webb Knows The Answer wrote:
Agreed on this being taken out of context by the OP. Reading the whole interview, Ferlic has a broader and more-comprehensive view that's not out of line.
Maybe his personality and general attitude is a little whiny, but I think the points he make stand.
Yeah, his comment in context is entirely reasonable and he honestly makes a good point. It loops back to 2016 - Rupp having the prototypes as Nike's golden child, and entering discussions of whether he would have even medaled if everyone was wearing the same footwear. The idea that sponsor favoritism can influence placing is certainly concerning and worth a discussion.
Let it Rupp wrote:
What a loser. With that victim mindset it's almost inevitable that he won't be making any world/olympic teams.
I thought the same thing. Excuses and a defeatist attitude are not a recipe for success.
Didn't he whoop Chelimo in XC recently?
ShilohDoesntCare wrote:
Didn't he whoop Chelimo in XC recently?
Isn't his 5k PR 30 seconds slower?
Who the F is Mason Ferlic? Seriously? One 5th place finish at US championships and he think he can talk crap about some elite US runners? I would have a lot more respect for this guy if he would go out and race some of the really good runners around the world. Has this guy ever been in a Diamond League race? The reason why we all respect Ben True is that he goes out and competes. 13:37 PR in the 5K and 8:27 PR in the steeple? Ok, sure. This guy totally deserved to go to the World Championships. Only time overseas he finished 76th at World Cross Country. 76th!
I don’t think he talked “crap“ about anyone, just talking about about shoe technology as an unsponsored athlete. how come people were giving Fauble praise for talking when he’s endorsed by a brand with carbon shoes?
guccislides wrote:
I don’t think he talked “crap“ about anyone, just talking about about shoe technology as an unsponsored athlete. how come people were giving Fauble praise for talking when he’s endorsed by a brand with carbon shoes?
I'm not praising Fauble either. What team has he made? What marathon has he won? These middling US guys need to shut up and run. Not a great look to be talking crap about shoes when you yourself aren't competing on the international level.
Get a Load of This Guy wrote:
guccislides wrote:
I don’t think he talked “crap“ about anyone, just talking about about shoe technology as an unsponsored athlete. how come people were giving Fauble praise for talking when he’s endorsed by a brand with carbon shoes?
I'm not praising Fauble either. What team has he made? What marathon has he won? These middling US guys need to shut up and run. Not a great look to be talking crap about shoes when you yourself aren't competing on the international level.
So anyone who can't make an international team aren't allowed to talk shoes. Seems like some sound logic to me.
Get a Load of This Guy wrote:
guccislides wrote:
I don’t think he talked “crap“ about anyone, just talking about about shoe technology as an unsponsored athlete. how come people were giving Fauble praise for talking when he’s endorsed by a brand with carbon shoes?
I'm not praising Fauble either. What team has he made? What marathon has he won? These middling US guys need to shut up and run. Not a great look to be talking crap about shoes when you yourself aren't competing on the international level.
So what, you're saying athletes need to have a list of impressive, world class level results before they're allowed to comment on their profession and how super shoes might impact their ability to do their job? You don't want to hear the opinion of the 13:20-something engineering graduate who placed 5th at USA's?
Just say you're a casual fan and go home.
somebody with a fork wrote:
Get a Load of This Guy wrote:
I'm not praising Fauble either. What team has he made? What marathon has he won? These middling US guys need to shut up and run. Not a great look to be talking crap about shoes when you yourself aren't competing on the international level.
So anyone who can't make an international team aren't allowed to talk shoes. Seems like some sound logic to me.
It just sounds like they're whining. Very prima donna mentality. You want people to listen to your opinion on shoes? Go out and make the Olympic team this year.
