INSANE times at Patriot League Championships

Course was even shorter than listed. I hate that even more. Minimum 4.5, maybe even shorter.

Most on strava have it between 4.65 and 4.70. That's the normal variance you'd see with GPS on any accurately measured course.

was anyone there? wrote:

Most on strava have it between 4.65 and 4.70. That's the normal variance you'd see with GPS on any accurately measured course.

No it's not. Any accurately measured course will measure long on GPS. Happens with road 5ks all the time. An accurate road 5k will measure between 3.15 and 3.25. If anything that supports the idea that it's closer to 4.5 than 4.7.

my two pennies wrote:

Course was even shorter than listed. I hate that even more. Minimum 4.5, maybe even shorter.

Do you know what "minimum" means?

It wasn't the Lehigh cross country course. They basically did loops around a big parking lot. I guess because of snow? Not sure though. But it was basically just a flat road race so times should be fast. Someone above said winner ran equivalent to a 23:02 8k which is about a 29:15 track 10k according to Mercier. That doesn't sound too far off for the best patriot league runner especially after you factor in the super shoe effect.

OP,

The women's meet couldn't have been any closer 47-47 and you are obsessed with times. Times in xc races mean nothing to me unless it's a standard course that is run every year in similar conditions.

The big question I have is where was the Navy men? Wow. I just found the release on Navy. They are WAY better than Army - who won the men's compt - but couldn't go because of some sort of travel lockdown at Navy. Some details here. Amyone know the whole story?

https://navysports.com/news/2021/3/4/mens-water-polo-mens-and-womens-cross-country-and-water-polo-will-not-participate-in-league-championships.aspx

Navy men and women both couldn’t compete due to high covid cases on navy campus! But the real talk is the women’s race without navy was still absolutely loaded, winner running 5:17 pace, holy sh$T!! Should Boston u women get into NCAAs cause army did beat Syracuse back in the fall and Boston beat army today? Super shoes did probably play a role in though today but still takeaway is patriot league on the women’s side is more competitive than its ever been before

Navy was not able to attend due to the academy being put on lock-down due to covid. The course was all on the road due to unplowable snow at the original host school, Lafayette. Does Army men and Boston women have a chance of being selected by the committee? They say wining your conference carries the most weight.

Army women also beat Boston College, not that Boston College is what they used to be but both Cuse and BC are receiving votes in the latest national poll. Army men have a harder time because they did not beat any quality teams this fall. Hopefully the Patriot League will get a team in, if they do, most likely BU women. .

How did BU win and not Army for women.???47-47… looks like Army wins 6 runner tie breaker 26-28.

Head to head top5 breaks tie

Lafayette Men in 3rd place...someone go check on Satan and see how he’s handling the cold spell.

ok I'm a HS coach never had to deal with this.. Its always been 6 th runner for us. so just to make sure I get this…. its whoever has the most "wins"in their top 5 vs the other team so BU's 1-2 -5 runner were ahead of Army's so they win that 3-2 and that is tie breaker ?

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How did BU win and not Army for women.???47-47… looks like Army wins 6 runner tie breaker 26-28.

This same scenario happened a few years back with BU women. BU and Bucknell scored the same # of points and Bucknell had the better 6th runner but BU won the top 5 h2h battle. Think it was 2014.

Tiebreaker never made a ton of sense to me- those 6th runner tiebreakers in high school are much more fun. XC is a team sport!

I heard that Paul Spangler is leaving BU after the season. Can anyone confirm? Women have gone from 7th to 4th and last two years winning the title during his four years. Would be a good ending to see the women get selected to Nats if what I heard is true.

patriotPatrick wrote:

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How did BU win and not Army for women.???47-47… looks like Army wins 6 runner tie breaker 26-28.

This same scenario happened a few years back with BU women. BU and Bucknell scored the same # of points and Bucknell had the better 6th runner but BU won the top 5 h2h battle. Think it was 2014.

Tiebreaker never made a ton of sense to me- those 6th runner tiebreakers in high school are much more fun. XC is a team sport!

What about when a team only has 5 runners? 6/7 can and still do displace. #team

Don't worry too much about times anymore. It's about placing and performance.

Florida State has been pioneering this as they've wiped their record books clean of Top 10 times and moved to All-American, All-Region, All-Conference for Cross Country results as the times are quite irrelevant.

Here is their Cross Country Record Book,

https://seminoles.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Cross-Country-Record-Book.pdf

confused as to why Spangler would leave when his program is on the cusp of becoming national caliber and his best two runners are both sophomores??? although he could be offered a head of the program role somewhere better or be going to a power 5 school for more money but I feel like once BU can have indoor meets again he will be making $$$

Alex Masai won his conference race in 22:53.5, these patriot league times aren't nearly as good