Let’s talk Matt Esche from UAB

Bradley Smear Campaign wrote:Both Bradley and UAB lost a good coach who knows how to compete and lives and breathes running.

Bradley has done FAR better since Matt Esche left. Bradley was 24th in the nation in 2018. They are infinitely better off without him.

Bradley Smear Campaign wrote: S.M. doesnt know any better and is seeking attention wherever she can get it through her blog. Not far back she was posting naked photos of herself to garner attention.

And now this thread is officially worthless, Not BroJo Certified.

aztec the moronic wrote:

Bradley Smear Campaign wrote:Both Bradley and UAB lost a good coach who knows how to compete and lives and breathes running.

Bradley has done FAR better since Matt Esche left. Bradley was 24th in the nation in 2018. They are infinitely better off without him.

I am sorry but this just shows your incompetence.

Athletes dont get instantly better over night. You dont run 38 minutes for 10000 and then suddenly drop 4 because of a coaching change. So this is absolutely a terrible point of reference and equally terrible argument.

Bradley Smear Campaign wrote:

aztec the moronic wrote:

Bradley has done FAR better since Matt Esche left. Bradley was 24th in the nation in 2018. They are infinitely better off without him.

I am sorry but this just shows your incompetence.

Athletes dont get instantly better over night. You dont run 38 minutes for 10000 and then suddenly drop 4 because of a coaching change. So this is absolutely a terrible point of reference and equally terrible argument.

Esche left Bradley in disgrace in May of 2015....Are you saying he gets credit for a team that made it to nationals in 2018? You must be Matt himself or his mom.

Oh, "Bradley Smear Campaign" is quite obviously Matt Esche. Or his mom. Dead giveaway in all the inside details in the denials, the endless comebacks. Nobody has the time, interest, or energy to pursue this unless he's named Matt Esche. Thing is, though it was kept out of the news, any potential employer who googles the guy's name will find this thread.

stop it please wrote:

Bradley Smear Campaign wrote:

I am sorry but this just shows your incompetence.

Athletes dont get instantly better over night. You dont run 38 minutes for 10000 and then suddenly drop 4 because of a coaching change. So this is absolutely a terrible point of reference and equally terrible argument.

Esche left Bradley in disgrace in May of 2015....Are you saying he gets credit for a team that made it to nationals in 2018? You must be Matt himself or his mom.

Disgrace? Really?! How so?

Wild Duck Whisperer wrote:

stop it please wrote:

Esche left Bradley in disgrace in May of 2015....Are you saying he gets credit for a team that made it to nationals in 2018? You must be Matt himself or his mom.

Disgrace? Really?! How so?

8 of his former athletes at Bradley signed this letter saying that he was mentally and emotionally abusive. He accepted a job at UAB - worse program and at a significant pay cut. It was also much further away from his family in the midwest.

If he wasn't fired at Bradley, he likely left right before he was fired.

#1 Your post contains a blatant example of what is wrong with LetsRun. You're trolling the internet trying to flog someone, humiliate them and hinder their future career path with false accusations and rumors. #2 Everyone makes mistakes and I see mistakes on both sides. But, again, a potential mistake with no formal resolution, no arbitration and a bunch of she said-he said which is unacceptable to base a professional opinion from. #3 I hope if and when Matt Esche's prospective future employers read this they conclude this website for what it is as a tabloid of an otherwise rich sport. I also hope the HR people doing inquiries on Matt Esche understand there is no merit to what poster's such as yourself type. Youre a bunch of rumor mongering basement dwellers with pathetic and mundane lives. Ten percent of this story is true and the other 90% what the internet thinks without knowing the facts first. Tabloid. /end of thread

BraveyNation brought to you by Champion wrote:

Oh, "Bradley Smear Campaign" is quite obviously Matt Esche. Or his mom. Dead giveaway in all the inside details in the denials, the endless comebacks. Nobody has the time, interest, or energy to pursue this unless he's named Matt Esche. Thing is, though it was kept out of the news, any potential employer who googles the guy's name will find this thread.

They signed a letter 6 years after the fact. He was definitely making more at UAB then Bradley.

If even 1% is true, then he deserved to be FIRED. You claim to have intimate knowledge of the situation and you admit 10% is true. GOOD RIDDANCE.

His distance runners scored zero points in the mile, 3k, and 5k at the conference championships. DMR got 1 point in second to last 8/9. They got 5th in a weak conference in the fall. His performance doesn't give them any reason to keep him around even if there were no allegations.

The 10% being the real bare facts: (1) he coached at Bradley and no longer coaches at Bradley (2) He coached at UAB and no longer coaches at UAB The rest of the story is completely made up here on letsrun, instagram and the prosiest website. None of these last groups of people are credible resources.

This is just more "Spirit of the Age" evil that is happening in all of society. When people have problems with calling an "X" an "X" and a "Y" a "Y", what do you expect? These kind of people don't seek truth in anything. They only seek truth in what suits them best, the rest of you be dammed!!! Mental health issues are out of control in many venues including posts on running forums.

Anyone entertaining an interview with Coach Esche in the future won't be taking this garbage site forum/thread into consideration. If so, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be interested in working for/with them.

Looks like you conveniently changed the subject here after claiming he was effectively forced out at Bradley. When in fact he was only the assistant at Bradley when he left to become the head at UAB - likely getting paid more for a better position. You offer zero proof he “left in disgrace” from Bradley. I have no dog in this fight. I’m just sticking to the facts.

Should an interviewer ask him about the allegations raised in the athletes letter? The letter is an important focus and what makes this thread important.

So how exactly would you know what's factually true and what isn't? Who are you? You hide behind anonymity just as much as those you accuse, if you have nothing to hide then why do this and contribute directly to the tabloid environment you decry? It would be an easy thing to confirm your identity if you chose to make it known, if you have the courage of your convictions.

guest too wrote:

Should an interviewer ask him about the allegations raised in the athletes letter? The letter is an important focus and what makes this thread important.

First of all, this thread isn't important. Its malevolent and even the creeps posting garbage know they are simply trolling to get the attention they require on a lousy forum at the expense of someone they know nothing about. The truth is, they and the initiators need to seek some kind of counseling that brings some truth to their lives so they can move forward.

Secondly, any athletic director worth their salt will have already done their research prior to requesting an interview to determine if there was a real problem or not. If there was, they probably aren't going to mess with first hand denials and seek a cleaner record. I would venture to say that this kind of crap is just part of the landscape these days, admin knows how to navigate it and coaches are trained on how to deal with the aftermath of situations like this.

Bottom line is, there's either enough proof that a coach is going to be fired with media coverage eventually telling the public all the gory details without the coach lawyering up to confidently defend themselves or its all a bunch of hooey and anyone with common sense knows it.

Coaches that unfortunately experience vindictive twits that feel entitled and have no ethics to actually work for and earn their place are in a tough situation. Coach realistically can't dive in with radical change even though they may be right. They have to grow the change at the pace and rigor that is allowed in that culture/setting and build it from the point ownership and pride.

Again, my advice would be that if you are going in where the bar is already pretty low to just be patient and recruit vetted and trusted athletes that just get more attention while the lazy leftovers are encouraged without a lot of expectation until they are gone either by their own choosing or eligibility. Its hard to replace a culture of apathy in a short amount of time. UAB hired him to run a respectable program and get kids on campus that would earn a degree. They did their research too....

I think this thread is important because it brings acknowledgement to the letter. It also allows for a general discussion of abuses that can happen to women college runners. I do agree that many of the posts are speculative and dumb.

I would not use any post here as any source to not interview a candidate. But the thread does provide information to find other sources.

Bradley Smear Campaign wrote:

#1 Your post contains a blatant example of what is wrong with LetsRun. You're trolling the internet trying to flog someone, humiliate them and hinder their future career path with false accusations and rumors.

This is literally what you did towards one of the athletes that came forward with allegations, in your first post on this thread. Do you not see the hypocrisy?

There is really no clear evidence here to make a judgment about whether he was bad or good, because we can't see any clear allegations here.