Elite OU College Football Player Severely Beaten by Trained Fighter in Bar Fight

You don’t seem to understand what the point or meaning behind a true fight is. If one is in a fight, it means that there is an active threat to one’s safety. This person then has every right to defend themselves. Do you really think the football player (who I’m guessing had consumed some adult beverages) would have listened reasonably to the fighter(who also probably consumed adult beverages) if the mma fighter tried to tell him about his training.

You should never look for a fight, but if you find yourself in a position where one might happen you should definitely take into account that maybe the other guy might win. Yes, that might even stop some fights from happening all together.

Wow, nothing like a world of speculation and assumptions going on here.

Without seeing the entire altercation, this discussion is completely useless. Got to say the fight looks like a pretty typical bar fight...alcohol and testosterone don't usually mix well. FB players generally get a bad rap, but he was in the middle of this one...whether he started it or not, who knows. Buddy standing behind him certainly has a lot of blame for the actual final fight.

It is said the smaller guy has MMA training...that doesn't make him an MMA fighter. I went to boxing lessons for 3 weeks when I was a kid...not a boxer!! And if some big dude is pushing you, giving a lecture is generally not the first thing to come to mind. Professional fighters have an obligation to inform others IF possible...anyone else though has no issue.

Not sure if the MMa guy is small or if the FB players are just big....but a simple rule I learned the hard way in my younger days...when two big guys are threatening a smaller guy, and the smaller guy looks fairly unconcerned...you may want to rethink your next few minutes!

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

Summary - kid has every right to defend himself, may run into trouble with how exactly he defended himself. Spencer Jones learns a humbling life lesson about picking fights in bar toilets.

The real potential legal problem isn't that the fight occurred, but with how it ended - sitting on top of someone and repeatedly hitting them in the face, as though this was an MMA fight where you don't stop until a ref pulls you off. I witnessed plenty of fights in my youth and they all came to an end when it was clear one guy had won. I've seen people shake hands after. They never ended with someone sitting on top of the other guy repeatedly punching him in the face trying to do as much damage as possible. It's too much. I don't think this was self defense, as I doubt very much those two "smaller" guys ever felt scared for their safety, but even if it were, there is a point where self-defense becomes a beating.

What I'm seeing in this thread is that the sympathizers of Spencer Jones have this quixotic and nirvana'istic view of human nature and this situation as a whole.

Yes in a perfect world "MMA kid" should have "stated his ability to deal an a$$-whooping" and walked away (and as I've pointed out we have no evidence that he didn't at some point in this debacle). In a perfect world Spencer Jones and his bro shouldn't be confronting people in bathrooms, swearing at them, asking them "what they got" and shoving people (no debate here - they did do this).

But guess what, when you are at a bar potentially which some alcohol in your blood, in your early 20's, in the middle of a pandemic which has caused everybody some kind of stress in their life (except looks fairly stress free being mask-less and at a bar, must be nice...) - perfect case scenarios involving human nature and conflict resolution very rarely happen. This narrative of suggesting everyone just walk away with their mouths shut just completely removes any nuance and understanding of this human nature and the spectrum of how people deal with things - it's actually a very uneducated point of view, which is surprising because the very people that do champion these types of narratives, do so from this perch of "intellect" and self-righteousness, which, btw, is utterly insufferable.

Get with the picture. If people are rejoicing about this football jock getting leathered it's probably because these types of guys have been boorishly using their privilege to pick on people for ever and finally one of them picked on the wrong person.

I know! The guy was laughing smh! Really pathetic!I always said that if you videotape fights for entertainment then you should be arrested

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Except if the OU guy with his natural athleticism takes up MMA he would beat the other guy 9 times out of 10. Football players who transition to MMA tend to be way better than average Joe MMA's who have no true athleticism. Pretty sure the football guy is stronger and faster and more agile than the MMA guy but is lacking in technical ability. Give him 3 years of training and he would wreck the dude.

south congress wrote:

Play stupid games...win stupid prizes

WTF are you talking about? "natural athleticism"? "Give him 3 years of training"? If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

The only athleticism I saw was a trained MMA athlete and his friend beat down a prima donna football player and his dumb-a** friend. They got SMOKED! and it was his friend who pushed the other dude in the Adidas pants (who looked to be MMA trained as well) that started the beat down. Now he can be a true Raider fan wearing a patch over his dead eye...IDIOTS!

"Go Run One"

Alcohol + Testosterone + College football players + Townies + a small town in the heart of Hickanistan = this event. This takes place every weekend somewhere. This is news because a player from an nationally known elite program got his butt whooped.

If this happened in Grinnell, IA or Alamosa, CO, we would have never heard about it.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/oklahoma-bar-fight-resulting-in-spencer-jones-nearly-losing-an-eye-will-lead-to-charges-following-investigation/amp/

Geez you're struggling.

From that link: "Glass has maintained Jones was trying to play the role of peacekeeper"

"Look at me. Look at me b1tch!" and "What you got?" isn't a peacekeeper.

Yeah, isn't that exactly what I said?

I think that the utilization of clear fighting skill to take it beyond defense to a beat-down is where the issue will be. However, the point where Jones starts trying to hit the guy as he locked up in the choke hold doesn't help him.

On the point of self defense here in the problem with saying it wasn't. Just as Spencer Jones clearly had no idea that these kids were MMA fighters, there was no way for these kids to know Spencer Jones wasn't also trained in some kind of fighting. The assumption doesn't run just one way because of the ultimate reality. That would be incredibly easy for a defense lawyer to establish. So there is simply no barometer for if the smaller guys ever "felt scared" because they can simply say they were and there is no evidence that can possibly contradict that.

Question, how many MMA fights have we seen where one fighter has ultimately gotten the better of the other in a similar fashion to what we saw on that disgusting toilet floor? You see it all the time - yet both fighters are clearly skilled. I'll tell you this, if I was in a freaking choke hold on the floor I would be going as limp as I could and trying to get out as many "I'm sorry" as I could - not trying to fight my way out of it with pathetic attempts at punches.

In a truly impartial court case (which I assume there will be), I don't think it ends well for Spencer Jones. Given his status as a football players and how we know privilege works in this country I will freely admit I think if it goes to trial he comes out on top. Unlike the fight he started.

Short story - the MMA kid who threw the first punch did nothing wrong. The MMA kid who pounded the dude who got plexed into the wall went beyond ensuring his own safety. I don't feel bad for the guy who got plexed - I have had my butt kicked for good reason too - but the MMA kid who kept beating on him will have to live with the consequences of that decision, whatever they may be.

Braden Brown. Good ole country boy name. Of course someone with a name like that would know how to fight:

https://www.totalprosports.com/2021/02/21/wrestler-mma-fighter-speaks-out-after-he-his-brother-sent-oklahoma-wr-to-surgery-after-bar-fight-video-tweets/

the two MMA guys is brothers:

https://twitter.com/bbrownfr/status/1363223823085015040

Help the MMA fighter with attorney fees:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-walker-with-attorney-fees-and-medical-bills?utm_source=customer&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_campaign=p_cf+share-flow-1

I don't believe it's 3 weeks of lessons. From the brother: " ... we have been wrestling since we were in diapers and MMA/Cage Fighting since we were 12."

He started a fight and got his face stomped out he got what he deserved. In 2003 I thought I was a little bad a#$ because I won a few street fights. Anyway I was at a lake rafting with some friends and got into it with a guy similar situation dude was a boxer I threw the first punch and got my jaw broken and a few teeth busted out and too top it off I got to walk around college with my face swollen like a blister ready to pop. Lesson learned. When I threw the punch and the guy took it like I was a toddler punching there parent in the leg I should have took of running versus squaring up.

Easy1 wrote:

He started a fight and got his face stomped out he got what he deserved. In 2003 I thought I was a little bad a#$ because I won a few street fights. Anyway I was at a lake rafting with some friends and got into it with a guy similar situation dude was a boxer I threw the first punch and got my jaw broken and a few teeth busted out and too top it off I got to walk around college with my face swollen like a blister ready to pop. Lesson learned. When I threw the punch and the guy took it like I was a toddler punching there parent in the leg I should have took of running versus squaring up.

Did you know he was a boxer before you took a swing at him?

Can we talk about how nonchalant the dudes in the urinals are? Just walking around like this happens every time they use the bathroom.

It is realistic to assume that everyone you consider an "opponent" has the capacity to injure or kill you regardless if they've been trained or not. Why do you assume that just because someone has been trained in fighting, that they will automatically win every bar/street fight? If someone says up front that they have "10 years" of training and the other guy has "9 years" of training, do you expect both to just walk away assuming the "10 years" guy will automatically win and holds all the responsibility?

There is no enjoyment to this story. But I disagree with your logic and approach.

The brothers are likely to be charged with assault, so the D.A. and police share my logic and approach.