How in the hell did Kieran Tuntivate, a guy with a 13:57 pb, just run 27:17?

His collegiate/post collegiate training matches up close w the JS strength-based model. For those in the know, this was a long time coming

The Big Chungus wrote:

His collegiate/post collegiate training matches up close w the JS strength-based model. For those in the know, this was a long time coming

Yes, I mean I knew his college PBs weren't close to his talent level. Fro watching him at the Ivy league level, he clearly was a big talent, with big passion for the sport who enjoys competition and competes with joy

If my brother ran 28 flat, this guy ultimately running 27:30-40 wouldn't stun me but 27:17 off the bat is wild.

I started this thread totally positive but of course do have to go down the shoe route if I'm going to make sense of this logically. I just realized If the shoes are worth 1 second per 600 per Nick Willis, then that's 16.67 seconds for a 10k which would put us right at 27:35.

That makes more sense logically speaking. I mean take a look at the all-time US sub-27:30 list before tonight. They all are super studly.

1 26:44.36 Galen Rupp USA Eugene OR 30 May 2014

2 26:59.60 Chris Solinsky USA Stanford CA 1 May 2010

3 27:04.72 Lopez Lomong USA Doha 6 Oct 2019

4 27:07.55 Shadrack Kipchirchir USA London 4 Aug 2017

5 27:13.98 Meb Keflezighi USA Stanford CA 4 May 2001

6 27:16.99 Abdi Abdirahman USA Eugene OR 8 Jun 2008

7 27:20.18 Leonard Korir USA London 4 Aug 2017

8 27:20.56 Mark Nenow USA Bruxelles 5 Sep 1986

9 27:22.06 Eric Jenkins USA San Juan Capistrano CA 5 Dec 2020

10 27:22.28 Dathan Ritzenhein USA Berlin 17 Aug 2009

11 27:24.67 Bobby Curtis USA Stanford CA 1 May 2011

12 27:25.61 Alberto Salazar USA Oslo 26 Jun 1982

13 27:28.19 Tim Nelson USA Stanford CA 1 May 2011

14 27:28.22 Matt Tegenkamp USA Stanford CA 1 May 2011

15 27:29.16 Craig Virgin USA Paris 17 Jul 1980

boing! boing! boing! (along with the other BTC guys and True)

Rojo in 2 years Fisher will be in Galen Rupp territory. With more even pacing tonight 27 flat could have been possible

michiganrunner55 wrote:

Rojo in 2 years Fisher will be in Galen Rupp territory. With more even pacing tonight 27 flat could have been possible

Superficially speaking, Galen had better form/efficiency. Fisher is a bit rigid and “boxy” (so was Rupp actually, short of perfect)—but I believe Fisher has an excellent mindset/attitude. Maybe I’m talking fluff, but every time I see these BTC events I see Fisher a) enjoying himself, and b) running better than ever before.

If Tuntivate's training philosophy didn't even change after joining BTC the big improvement makes even less sense. After all it's just getting comical how every decent runner not named Gwen Jorgensen happens to have a big breakthrough not long after joining BTC. What's next? Amos Bartelsmeyer sub12:54 German record and Sinclaire Johnson sub3:55? Lol

IDK I guess he slowed down a lot or had a bad day.

I think we need to also take into account Tuntivate has 3:57 mile or 3:42 1500m speed. So the question is more why has a guy who can run those times only clock 13:57?

https://www.pinoyathletics.info/kieran-tuntivate/

He ran 3:57 and 7:49 indoor before covid cancelled the NCAA season. He’s basically been training with Bowerman since Harvard cancelled sports. I don’t think it’s THAT surprising a kid of this caliber, training with BTC runs really fast. Especially considering what some of his college contemporaries are doing, for example Robert Brandt

Great race for Fisher. Always motivating to get out and smash your pr. It makes all that hard work feel validated.

He has dual citizenship with Thailand. He's already competed for Thailand at the Asian games. He'll become a rock star in Thailand if he runs for them at the Olympics.

Kieran Tuntivate, (February 1997)

He has decent mile speed of 357 which is faster than previous legends like Lopes and Keflizgighi both have faster 10,000 m times than Kieran. surprising is that he did it at this stage in his career. Does this mean he can run 1308 for 5000 m which is an equivalent time? Not sure about that.

800 Metres 1:57.04 Dover, DE (USA) 16 MAY 2015 835

1500 Metres 3:47.36 Swarthmore, PA (USA) 14 MAY 2018 1010

One Mile 3:57.87 Lipscomb Academy, Nashville, TN (USA) 15 AUG 2020 NR 1101

3000 Metres 7:48.24 Brophy College Preparatory - Sports Campus, Phoenix, AZ (USA) 06 FEB 2021 NR 1126

Two Miles 9:13.80 West Chester, PA (USA) 02 MAY 2014 866

5000 Metres 13:57.60 Charlottesville, VA (USA) 20 APR 2019 NR 1008

10,000 Metres 28:45.61 Raleigh, NC (USA) 29 MAR 2019 NR 1063

3000 Metres Steeplechase 9:20.87 Philadelphia, PA (USA) 28 APR 2016 909

8 Kilometres 24:26 Philadelphia, PA (USA) 18 NOV 2017 0

10 Kilometres 28:52 Buffalo, NY (USA) 15 NOV 2019 NR 1063

Legend

* Not legal.

Indoor

Discipline Performance Wind Venue Date Records Results Score

1000 Metres 2:28.14 Boston, MA (USA) 13 FEB 2016 NR 961

One Mile 3:57.36 Boston Univ. Track & Tennis Center, Boston, MA (USA) 15 FEB 2020 NR 1164

3000 Metres 7:49.15 Boston Univ. Track & Tennis Center, Boston, MA (USA) 01 FEB 2020 NR 1144

5000 Metres 14:13.48 Boston, MA (USA) 02 DEC 2017 NR 997

Oops my bad, Lopes (27:17.48) slightly slower than Tuntivate (27:12.14). Tuntivate has more intrinsic leg speed over 1 mile compared to those two legends who are 341 type 1500 m runners equal to around 359 mile.

Lopes 13:16.38/27:17.48

Keflezhigi 13:11.77/27:13.98

Having followed Kieran since high school (same school but never overlapped) it is great to see his progression here. Between Kieran and Sam Parsons it’s great to finally see Delaware natives represent on this level. No disrespect to Marquis Dendy, but before these guys DE had basically nobody since Vicki Huber on the track make news.

michiganrunner55 wrote:

With more even pacing tonight 27 flat could have been possible

Why do you think that? They pacing was INCREDIBLY even. They ran basically 27:30 pace for 20 laps (2727 pace at 8k ( i had a type in the article initially and it said this was 2722 pace). Then picked it up a little bit before going hard the last 2 laps.

Rojo wrote:

The field went through 5000 in 13:45 and McGorty hit 8000 in 21:57.85 (27:27 pace). After McGorty stopped at 8k, Scott did most of the leading although Fisher had the lead with 2 laps to go. Scott immediately picked up the pace and his final 5 laps were 64.18, 65.49, 64.62, 61.18 and 57.13

So there was zero chance Tuntivate was going to run sub 27. Maybe scott.

Tuntivate went 1446, 1431.

The shoes

I wouldn't call him a native since he doesn't compete for the US. When the early settlers came to the US and talked about the natives, they weren't referring to one of their children who were born in North America but were British citizens, they were talking about the Native Americans.

kanga shoe wrote:

The shoes

I was resisting this but now I'm starting to wonder. And not just because of this guy. He could be totally legit for all I know but ALL these crazy times all of a sudden?

what are you talkn bout wrote:

I wouldn't call him a native since he doesn't compete for the US. When the early settlers came to the US and talked about the natives, they weren't referring to one of their children who were born in North America but were British citizens, they were talking about the Native Americans.

Your logic doesn't make sense. Virtually no athletes competing for the US are Native/Indigenous Americans. Does that mean the athletes that have competed for the US aren't American?

He was born and raised in Delaware. He has Thai ancestry and chose to compete for them. That does not disqualify him from being an American (a person from the US).