Nike invincible (Some love it? some don't?)

Yeah I saw Eddbud's review, couldn't believe he gave the midsole a 1.8/3. Based on what he had been saying about the shoe before he got it, I can't help but think he was a bit prejudiced against it before he even ran in it. But maybe that didn't affect the review, lets give him benefit of the doubt. Maybe it just didn't work for him. Tbh I lose a little bit of faith in reviewers that review that new Ultraboost and say the weight doesn't matter. As if. It's the heaviest running shoe on the market, of course it matters. It might still be a decent shoe, but that can't be ignored. He says the weight doesn't matter on the Ultraboost but talks about the ZoomX Invincible as if it's a slow shoe, that takes more effort to run in than other shoes for the same pace.

I'm sorry, that's just ridiculous. Maybe it's true for him... but it's not true for the majority of other reviewers I've seen, and it's not true for me. And it's not true based on the physical properties of ZoomX.

I used mine for the first time on Sunday for a 10 miler. It was lovely. I did the first 5 miles at ~8:30/mi with my girlfriend. We had done 7 miles the day before and she was finding it tough. She said I seemed to be finding it more effortless than usual. Then I did 5 more miles alone at around HM pace and it was cushy and fast. Not as fast as a vaporfly but definitely felt faster than an average daily trainer to me, perhaps because my legs at this point were feeling much fresher than normal, like what you get with the vaporfly or alphafly. My legs continued to feel fresh after the run.

I did have a little pain in one of my knees for the first couple miles, but it completely went away. Perhaps it was because it's a soft shoe, but I didn't really feel unstable at any point, especially as the grip is really good.

I've only done one run in them, and obviously that's not enough to make a full opinion on them, but to be honest I struggle to see myself ever wanting to use any other shoe for longer runs now.

Ed budd has posted a lengthy review after owning the shoe for less that 24 hours, running only 10 miles in them and apparently not managing to even tie the laces up properly.

Not sure this is the kind of review/reviewer I would base a purchasing decision on.

He does wear wacky shirts and funny hats though so I guess there’s that.

seth j demoor wrote:

Ed budd has posted a lengthy review after owning the shoe for less that 24 hours, running only 10 miles in them and apparently not managing to even tie the laces up properly.

Not sure this is the kind of review/reviewer I would base a purchasing decision on.

He does wear wacky shirts and funny hats though so I guess there’s that.

I enjoy listening to his reviews. He’s a funny guy. Very affable.

Hi,

I think all of them have said its initial impressions and need to do more miles in them. Fordy runs was a helpful initial review. It looks like a big shoe and he noted it was a little more rubbery feel than the other zoom x shoes. Cheers Steve

I love Fordy Runs.

He is an honest guy and a real qualified running coach. My issue with other YouTubers are they just try to find shoes that will generate hits and make them money.

Regarding Edbudd, I used to like him but then I realised they reason he does those music review thingies is to pad his videos for the 10-minute mark and he seems obsessed with having his little youtube clique being the place for "honest reviews". Time to get his head out of his ass!

That's an awful lot of work just to lie to a bunch of strangers about having a gf.

this is it wrote:

That's an awful lot of work just to lie to a bunch of strangers about having a gf.

i lol'ed

Child slave labor is ignored by the SJWs, they apparently have more important matters to deal with such as trying to cancel Tom Macdonald for exposing the truth.

steve the addict. wrote:

Child slave labor is ignored by the SJWs, they apparently have more important matters to deal with such as trying to cancel Tom Macdonald for exposing the truth.

Please let the congregation know about the corruption in global transnational corporations and global shipping companies in full and how this has affected every industry and demographic.

Point: Anybody who talks about only a part of the whole is a liar and partisan who will always shortchange the truth. Playing politics with truth is dangerous for all humanity. Middle class ladder climbing insincerity leads to world war. Read the writers of old

I watched that Ed Budd review, I watch SJD now and then, and I saw some other guy last night talking about the latest Altra trail shoe.

And without exception, they all pinpoint 'flaws' in the shoe which are actually related to their own feet. Too narrow, too loose, heel slippage, toe wears through right here, etc.

Then with at least one of them, a few minutes talking about the color, and the mountain design on the side.

Thanks, guys. Really helpful.

I think Ed's issue with the shoe is he is a heel striker.

Other reviews seem to give the impression that the shoe comes to live if you strike front/mid foot and feels awkward when heel striking. So Ed heel strikes at a slow pace and the shoe feels better to him at faster paces because he then lands more toward the front of his foot.

I just finished my first (16km) 10 mile run with them. Absolutely fine, super bouncy and soft. They did remind me of the Vaporflys, just heavier and more plush. Legs feeling perfectly fresh, like I could go out and run again.

I am a forefoot striker, even at recovery paces. I could feel the foam pushing me on when my heel came down, which I presume is the intended perpose -- so you're right, heel strikers at easy paces will not get the same benefit.

Only issue with the shoe so far is the short laces make it impossible to use a runners knot.

I've seen Ed Bud's followup review and I believe he has bought the wrong size. I don't understand how his toe is rubbing against the edge, unless the shoe is too small.

Hi,

Sounds like it works for some and not others. Others have also noted blisters in that area. It sounds like it works better at faster paces not slow. I am a heel/midfoot striker so maybe I stick with the Asics novablast as I have read they are similar but Invincible a little more stable but heavier and with a hot upper.

Cheers Steve

stevenn wrote:

Hi,

Sounds like it works for some and not others. Others have also noted blisters in that area. It sounds like it works better at faster paces not slow. I am a heel/midfoot striker so maybe I stick with the Asics novablast as I have read they are similar but Invincible a little more stable but heavier and with a hot upper.

Cheers Steve

Thx steve, cheers Steve

This is Jim Kiler wrote:

I watched that Ed Budd review, I watch SJD now and then, and I saw some other guy last night talking about the latest Altra trail shoe.

And without exception, they all pinpoint 'flaws' in the shoe which are actually related to their own feet. Too narrow, too loose, heel slippage, toe wears through right here, etc.

Then with at least one of them, a few minutes talking about the color, and the mountain design on the side.

Thanks, guys. Really helpful.

This is part of why I don't really trust reviews any more. They can review it and say its awful, and then I find out it's the only shoe that suits me!

I have it and its okay but so far I prefer the turbo 2 still more.

In many ways it reminds me of the original turbos because it has more material on its upper. My big toe felt a bit awkward/"hot" in it on my one and only run.

It's also heavier.

The turbo 2 is still the ultimate shoe but this may be the only alternative in the future.

H._Emer_Troy wrote:

steve the addict. wrote:

Child slave labor is ignored by the SJWs, they apparently have more important matters to deal with such as trying to cancel Tom Macdonald for exposing the truth.

Please let the congregation know about the corruption in global transnational corporations and global shipping companies in full and how this has affected every industry and demographic.

Point: Anybody who talks about only a part of the whole is a liar and partisan who will always shortchange the truth. Playing politics with truth is dangerous for all humanity. Middle class ladder climbing insincerity leads to world war. Read the writers of old

Oh my.

I have been using this shoe for about a month.

Not designed for fast but for that 80% easy which is the staple of distance runners

I returned a pair yesterday to my local running shop having run about 4 or 5 times in them. They "squeaked" so loudly (left shoe only) that you'd be forced to hear them the entire run and even if you had earphones in you'd still hear them. As a pretty bad heel striker the outsole nubs wore down very quickly so had I continued to run in them I would have needed to use shoe goo or something. The zoom foam cushioning is truly something great. After 12 mile runs my legs were noticeably less beat up the next day. I think they need to modify the outsole so heel strikers don't blow through them in 150 miles and address via quality control things like "squeaky" soles. Otherwise, they are very good shoes. If you are not a bad heel striker like me the outsole might not be an issue. I don't have any motion control needs and can use either neutral or stability shoes. I did not have any issues with how my foot progressed through the gate cycle - enough structure for me