Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

Fat hurts wrote:

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

I'll take my chances with a 99.9% plus survival rate. It's Delta today, followed by more BS later.

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Keep up the fear porn, chicken little.

So do you think that Delta doesn't actually exist?

If deaths are not spiking (and they are not), then talking about new cases is a complete waste of time. Keep being a slave and compy your government masters.

edit: comply with....

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

If deaths are not spiking (and they are not), then talking about new cases is a complete waste of time. Keep being a slave and compy your government masters.

Deaths are definitely rising. In Republican parts of the country, the hospitals are filling up. Do you think everyone collecting the data is lying about it?

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

If deaths are not spiking (and they are not), then talking about new cases is a complete waste of time. Keep being a slave and compy your government masters.

About 150 million Americans are unvaccinated. Almost all unvaccinated people will eventually get covid. But let's just say we have 100 million new cases ahead.

By your statistic, 99.9% will survive. But another 100,000 Americans will die needlessly. And several times that number will need hospitalization.

Are you OK with that?

Fat hurts wrote:

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

If deaths are not spiking (and they are not), then talking about new cases is a complete waste of time. Keep being a slave and compy your government masters.

Deaths are definitely rising. In Republican parts of the country, the hospitals are filling up. Do you think everyone collecting the data is lying about it?

US deaths are abolutely spiking.

7 day averages:

US deaths are up 73% over the last month

today we'll have almost 700 deaths, which means that 73% number is just starting to rise.

In Arkansas deaths are up 800% in less than a month.

yes, deaths are spiking and it looks like they will continue to spike for at least a few weeks.

Expect to hear trumpist proto-fascists blaming immigrants for the errors made by GOP governors.

A nice exception is the governor of AR - he just said that he really shouldn't have banned localities from using mask mandates. Good for him. Others will go all in on fashy scapegoating and hatred and blame impure immigrants, just as the nazis did.

Fat hurts wrote:

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

If deaths are not spiking (and they are not), then talking about new cases is a complete waste of time. Keep being a slave and compy your government masters.

Deaths are definitely rising. In Republican parts of the country, the hospitals are filling up. Do you think everyone collecting the data is lying about it?

US deaths are abolutely spiking.

7 day averages:

US deaths are up 73% over the last month

today we'll have almost 700 deaths, which means that 73% number is just starting to rise.

In Arkansas deaths are up 800% in less than a month.

yes, deaths are spiking and it looks like they will continue to spike for at least a few weeks.

Expect to hear trumpist proto-fascists blaming immigrants for the errors made by GOP governors.

A nice exception is the governor of AR - he just said that he really shouldn't have banned localities from using mask mandates. Good for him. Others will go all in on fashy scapegoating and hatred and blame impure immigrants, just as the nazis did.

7 day averages

US cases up 708% from low around June 20

US deaths up 83% from low around July 7

Florida deaths running straight up a wall vertically

confederate governors all saw this last week when they stood up together and begged people to get vaccinated.

will this totally unneccessary republican-caused bloodbath turn midterms toward the only responsible party, the Dems?

worst per capita states for cases over 7 days entirely trumpist seditionist states. (plus nevada)

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Deaths are definitely rising. In Republican parts of the country, the hospitals are filling up. Do you think everyone collecting the data is lying about it?

US deaths are abolutely spiking.

7 day averages:

US deaths are up 73% over the last month

today we'll have almost 700 deaths, which means that 73% number is just starting to rise.

In Arkansas deaths are up 800% in less than a month.

yes, deaths are spiking and it looks like they will continue to spike for at least a few weeks.

Expect to hear trumpist proto-fascists blaming immigrants for the errors made by GOP governors.

A nice exception is the governor of AR - he just said that he really shouldn't have banned localities from using mask mandates. Good for him. Others will go all in on fashy scapegoating and hatred and blame impure immigrants, just as the nazis did.

Only 31% of NYC blacks are vaccinated....

runnerboy70 wrote:

Only 31% of NYC blacks are vaccinated....

this is a national health crisis yes...states with both lots of trump voters and lots of Afr-Ams are going to suffer.

are already suffering.

a state can handle one or the other, but both = lots of covid deaths

agip wrote:

runnerboy70 wrote:

Only 31% of NYC blacks are vaccinated....

this is a national health crisis yes...states with both lots of trump voters and lots of Afr-Ams are going to suffer.

are already suffering.

a state can handle one or the other, but both = lots of covid deaths

but you cited NYC, where covid is not much of a problem anymore because there aren't many trump voters.

a place can handle trumpists or Afr-Ams, but not both.

agip wrote:

runnerboy70 wrote:

Only 31% of NYC blacks are vaccinated....

this is a national health crisis yes...states with both lots of trump voters and lots of Afr-Ams are going to suffer.

are already suffering.

a state can handle one or the other, but both = lots of covid deaths

but you cited NYC, where covid is not much of a problem anymore because there aren't many trump voters.

a place can handle trumpists or Afr-Ams, but not both.

agip wrote:

runnerboy70 wrote:

Only 31% of NYC blacks are vaccinated....

this is a national health crisis yes...states with both lots of trump voters and lots of Afr-Ams are going to suffer.

are already suffering.

a state can handle one or the other, but both = lots of covid deaths

Haven't felt the need to post on this thread in a while, but with the Delta variant causing another wave, I thought I'd add my two cents.

We have the triumverate here in Georgia - lots of Trump-followers, high percentage of African-Americans (~32%), and a very large white evangelical population.

This, in part, has led to our abyssmal vaccination rate - 41% fully and 46% partially.

We have done a good job recently in the African-American community to close the gap. Early on there was significant hesitancy, but in the last few months we've increased shots. Now we are at 37% (still very poor percentage) with at least one shot compared to 41% of whites. Asians, of course, are much more open to the vaccine and nearly 80% have gotten a shot.

I have no confidence that Georgia (or the US in general) will be able to reach the Trump-followers or evangelicals in large numbers. I cringe every time I drive by churches full of people crammed together as if the pandemic is over. Very irresponsible for them to gather, vaccinated or not, as the Delta variant roars through their community. It's as if they learned nothing from the other waves.

The ignorance of these two groups may keep us in this cycle for a very long time.

We've gone from a 7-day average of 200 to 2700+ cases in about five weeks. And have gone from 400 hospitalizations to 2700. For now, deaths have remained around 5/day for the last two months. With the increase in cases and hospitalizations, this number will inevitablely go up. Hopefully, not too much higher. Georgia has vaccinated ~97% of the most vulnerable residents (65+) which should keep deaths lower than previous cycles.

it does seem that in some comparable countries like UK and Netherlands this wave ends very very quickly.

I'm hoping the same thing happens here.

Fat hurts wrote:

About 150 million Americans are unvaccinated. Almost all unvaccinated people will eventually get covid. But let's just say we have 100 million new cases ahead.

By your [FALSE] statistic, 99.9% will survive. But another 100,000 Americans will die needlessly. And several times that number will need hospitalization.

Are you OK with that?

Though Gary is a troll (and asshoIe), he's not the only one spouting this "99.9% survival!" bullsh!t.

If 99.9+% survived, then no more than one in a thousand would die. There are ~330 million Americans, so that would mean that if *every single American* were infected, AT THE MOST there would be 330,000 deaths.

But almost TWICE that many have *already* died--even though only ~36 million are known to have been infected...which means the NONsurvival rate is not 0.1% or less, but something closer to 2%. So if there are 100 million new cases among the unvaccinated, we're looking at something approaching TWO MILLION deaths.

But to answer your actual question: Yes, Gary and his ilk are perfectly fine with that. After all, he and his will probably make out okay, and that's all that counts amirite?

I think you are right about Gary. He is fine with 100,000 needless deaths as long as he doesn't have to admit he is wrong. Notice that he can not answer my question.

99.9% could possibly be the current survival rate. We do have better treatment options now. And because the vaccination rate is high among those over 65, we don't have as many older Americans getting sick.

But I would put 99.9% as a bit optimistic. There is evidence emerging that the Delta variant is a little more deadly, if for no other reason than it causes hospitals to fill up quickly, which means that quality of care suffers.

And as I said before, Delta will find you. Covid was already very contagious, but the Delta variant is much, much worse. If you are not vaccinated, you are at very high risk of catching it. And you have chosen to board the plane that crashes at least once in every thousand flights.

Oh, the Tar Baby is back!

And as usual, she couldn't resist making this all about her favorite nemesis, the Christians.

Never mind that even white evangelical Christians have a higher vaccination rate than Republicans in general, it must be that the Christians are to blame.

Tar Baby just can't stand seeing the Christians go to church. It's like the Grinch seeing those Whos in Whoville singing and carving the roast beast. She just can't stand it.

Look, I've criticized white evangelicals as much as anybody on this thread. But to say they shouldn't go to church, vaccinated or not, is just pure nonsense. I can tell you that in my church almost everyone is now vaccinated. I know that because we employ a congregational nurse who has reported on our vaccination rate. She has contacted every member about vaccination and has helped them find vaccination sites and even arrange transportation for those who need it.

This is the Republican flu. "Republican" is the greatest predictor of the unvaccinated. We can leave the evangelicals out of it this time.

Fat hurts wrote:

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

If deaths are not spiking (and they are not), then talking about new cases is a complete waste of time. Keep being a slave and compy your government masters.

About 150 million Americans are unvaccinated. Almost all unvaccinated people will eventually get covid. But let's just say we have 100 million new cases ahead.

By your statistic, 99.9% will survive. But another 100,000 Americans will die needlessly. And several times that number will need hospitalization.

Are you OK with that?

I am, because it's not my problem.

And yes, the survival rate is over 99.9% because most unvaccinated people are young, and a majority have already had covid.