Explain how standardized tests are biased

Banjo.

Go re-read my first post. Word for word. Best you can.

If you want some more information go read some work by Alan S. Kaufman if you want some more information on the current field of IQ testing. Warning his last name is Kaufman I know how you feel about that.

I'll say it again. You are lost in a strange circular white circular white supremacy argument. You do not know what you are talking about. Totally fine. Continue on.

You seem to bounce back and forth between proposing race-blind policies and proposing race-based policies (in between your rants of POC inferiority).

the beagle wrote:

You seem to bounce back and forth between proposing race-blind policies and proposing race-based policies (in between your rants of POC inferiority).

Race blind policies always have a racial bias. That's why we now have Affirmative Action, and since even that systemic leg up didn't work, now we have talk of "equity".

Your confusion is just your cognitive dissonance resolving itself in the most convenient way possible, with your fantasy beliefs in perfect racial equality intact.

ActualPsychologist wrote:

Banjo wrote:

Person with cognitive disability supports fantasy of perfect cognitive equality. Got it.

And because your disability is cognitive rather than physical, the idea of West African superiority in sprinting events doesn't threaten your insecurities about your disability.

Banjo.

Go re-read my first post. Word for word. Best you can.

If you want some more information go read some work by Alan S. Kaufman if you want some more information on the current field of IQ testing. Warning his last name is Kaufman I know how you feel about that.

I'll say it again. You are lost in a strange circular white circular white supremacy argument. You do not know what you are talking about. Totally fine. Continue on.

Do you REALLY think Alan Kaufman believes that Ashkenazi Jws and blcks have the EXACT same native intelligence?

Yeah right.

Jwish families earn 4x as much as black families, and twice as much as white families.

Send me the link to Alan Kaufman pretending that this is a moral outrage because blacks and Jws have the exact same intelligence and deserve equal outcomes.

crickets.

Banjo wrote:

the beagle wrote:

You seem to bounce back and forth between proposing race-blind policies and proposing race-based policies (in between your rants of POC inferiority).

Race blind policies always have a racial bias. That's why we now have Affirmative Action, and since even that systemic leg up didn't work, now we have talk of "equity".

Your confusion is just your cognitive dissonance resolving itself in the most convenient way possible, with your fantasy beliefs in perfect racial equality intact.

Where did I espouse “fantasy beliefs in perfect racial equality”? I just find it fascinating that you are obsessed with race if you allegedly don’t think policies should be based on race.

the beagle wrote:

Banjo wrote:

Race blind policies always have a racial bias. That's why we now have Affirmative Action, and since even that systemic leg up didn't work, now we have talk of "equity".

Your confusion is just your cognitive dissonance resolving itself in the most convenient way possible, with your fantasy beliefs in perfect racial equality intact.

Where did I espouse “fantasy beliefs in perfect racial equality”? I just find it fascinating that you are obsessed with race if you allegedly don’t think policies should be based on race.

You're fascinated with the idea that somebody would challenge the idea of perfect racial equality of intelligence, but you don't believe in perfect racial intelligence.

Got it, thanks.

Banjo wrote:

the beagle wrote:

Where did I espouse “fantasy beliefs in perfect racial equality”? I just find it fascinating that you are obsessed with race if you allegedly don’t think policies should be based on race.

You're fascinated with the idea that somebody would challenge the idea of perfect racial equality of intelligence, but you don't believe in perfect racial intelligence.

Got it, thanks.

I’m fascinated with why you are obsessed with race if you don’t think policies should be race based. You are mischaracterizing, again.

On average, teachers in minority schools are less trained, are paid less, and stay a shorter time. They also have a lot more to do just to get beyond crowd control. If you grow up as an African American, on average, you'll tend to face a whole series of obstacles from inferior schools to lesser educated parents to violence and just the very idea that you can't do it, which society communicates bluntly to you. Did distance runners at my school, aside from the once in twenty years athletes, run three minutes slower than 2nd team Newbury Park athletes at 5k xc because of innate inferiority or the lack of a successful distance running program and atmosphere?

xczvzxcv wrote:

On average, teachers in minority schools are less trained, are paid less, and stay a shorter time. They also have a lot more to do just to get beyond crowd control. If you grow up as an African American, on average, you'll tend to face a whole series of obstacles from inferior schools to lesser educated parents to violence and just the very idea that you can't do it, which society communicates bluntly to you. Did distance runners at my school, aside from the once in twenty years athletes, run three minutes slower than 2nd team Newbury Park athletes at 5k xc because of innate inferiority or the lack of a successful distance running program and atmosphere?

This is sort of true. As someone noted above, teachers in public schools are usually better trained, better credentialed, and overall more skilled than private school teachers. A lot of private school teachers are young, lack licensure, and are trying to work their way into higher-paying public positions.

And, teachers in cities tend to be better than teachers in suburbs for the same reason: cities pay a lot more than smaller towns.

However, once you’re in the city system, the “tougher” schools do see less-experienced staff and higher turnover...again, for normal economic reasons: people get their foot in the door with jobs at rough schools in bad neighborhoods, then move on to easier schools (at the same pay) when the opportunity arises. I did this: taught at a school that had been taken over by the state, I was miserable, hated every day, got treated like crap by kids and administrators alike, but soon I was able to step up to a school in a better neighborhood. Overnight, I went from being a “bad” teacher to a (supposedly) great one. Did I change? Not at all. The conditions around me did.

However, I wouldn’t say this dynamic (teacher exodus) is the major cause of poor performance in tougher schools (which, let’s face it, tend to be schools in black neighborhoods). Most of the teacher actions, lessons, curricula etc. are nearly identical no matter what school you are in. The predominate difference is the way the students engage and behave, and the stability and enrichment they get from their parents.

As for the topic of this post: tests aren't biased or racist. That's preposterous. Are they "fair" is another question...as in, is it "fair" that tests (to a certain degree) reflect parents ability and willingness to use their own knowledge and resources to help their kids be as successful as possible (I would say yes, that's precisely the kind of behavior we should be incentivizing, but obviously others disagree).

The Wall Street Journal had one of the best articles on this some years back, and by many measures the test is set so that some will succeed and some will and it was directly tied to family income. One of the more enlightening statistics the WSJ reported: “At some wealthy high schools… one in four students is permitted to have extra time on tests by virtue of having claimed a disability. At low-income high schools, the total is 1.4 percent on average.” Extra time is linked to higher scoring on tests, ESPECIALLY on the Math test, that's how a standardized test can be built to favor the wealthy and connected. They are able to receive test privileges that directly benefit their children (who can blame them?) that others would have are discouraged from pursuing. Create a test with no caveats and you would see some of these discrepancies start to disappear.

adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:

Want a person who does great on the SAT? SAT test scores are great. For picking out students that will do well in school? They don't do better than using the rest of the data.

The Scholastic Aptitude Test is designed for precisely the things they teach in school. Unless by "school" you mean something more like art or music than math, science and writing.

Let's see that Afrocentric question you didn't come up with that only 70% of whites can answer.

Until then I've got a better explanation: poorer neighborhoods, worse schools, worse test scores. Simple. No ethnic bias about it.

(Without consulting the internet) subtract the date of Frederick Douglass’s birth from the date of Nat Turner’s rebellion (ok more like 9% and 7%, but the point holds).

Do I think test scores mostly demonstrate a worse early learning/development environment? I do.

This just explains why people who can afford it send their children to private schools if the public system doesn’t meet the needs of their kids.

Teaching to the lowest common denominator will lead to a generation of people who think they are smart enough to go to college but don’t have the intelligence to figure out that their chosen career won’t cover their student loan payments.

Oh wait...

Math genius wrote:

ActualPsychologist wrote:

Discussions like this often increase stereotypes and overlook the enormous amount of systemic racism, and income inequality in this county that has perpetuated the differences in opportunities for all students in the united states.

At a certain point though, you have to reward positive parental choices that compound over generations. My great-grandfather was a day laborer. My grandfather a salaried maintenance/handyman. My dad did sales. I'm the first in my family to go to college, and I'm in a mid-level professional career. I'm working and saving so my daughter might be able to get an advanced degree and do something even better for herself.

Climbing up, little by little, a generation at a time. That's the way it's supposed to work.

Congratulations on choosing the right parents and grandparents.

I was never given that opportunity, but I am glad at least you were.

We were all given an equal opportunity to choose our parents.

We should eliminate the ACT & SAT, enforce equality of outcome in college admissions, and completely ruin prestigious universities by forcing them to take in hordes of idiots.

What the actual f uck.

How is this sh it on a running website.

Delete this sh it you racist c unts

And the website is worried about me posting profanity!!!!!!!

TAA wrote:

We should eliminate the ACT & SAT, enforce equality of outcome in college admissions, and completely ruin prestigious universities by forcing them to take in hordes of idiots.

Thanks for supporting me! Straw men are the best.

Record this wrote:

We were all given an equal opportunity to choose our parents.

So "Math genius" chose the right parents because he is a genius, and I didn't because I am an idiot? I got it.