What the hell. Dr. Fauci admits to the NY Times he's purposely misled us yet again about % needed to get to herd immunity

But the scientific fact is that SARSCoV2 has never- NEVER- been isolated.

What was done was computer modelling.

From the CDC:

The CDC document is titled, “CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel.” It is dated July 13, 2020.

Buried deep in the document, on page 39, in a section titled, “Performance Characteristics,” we have this: “Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available, assays [diagnostic tests] designed for detection of the 2019-nCoV RNA were tested with characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA…”

NO ONE HAS AN ISOLATED SPECIMEN OF THE COVID-19 VIRUS.

As if this were not enough the CDC goes on to say they are presenting a diagnostic PCR test to detect the virus-that-hasn’t-been-isolate and the test is looking for RNA which is PRESUMED to come from the virus that hasn’t been proved to exist.

Maybe do a deeper dive into this before you ban someone from speaking to the scientific facts of the matter.

As more ct-qPCR tests were done in mid March CDC stopped verification of results coming from private labs; we knew in March PCR false positive rate Was reported at least 50% in China , in June 80%, in August 90% officially false positives worldwide due to inflated CT values alone as FDA urged doctors in May not to rely on the test alone to make diagnosis of a COVID case.

On the top of that there is complete lack of specificity giving positive results for variety of viruses and bacteria commonly existing in tissues of countless millions of patients of other common respiratory diseases worldwide. Then there is PCR complete inability to detect live virus, distinguish it from dead or blocked virus existing in tissue for months often infection is gone regardless if CT indicates bigger or smaller load and hence provides no way to predict level and capability of individual effectively spreading infection.

There is no reference for the test . And the RT PCR test cannot detect disease/ infection.

It cannot find or prove one whole transmittable, infectious piece of RNA and yet the criminals have been using this one medical fraud in order to create fictitious “confirmed covid cases”.

It also does not prove the existence of SarsCoV2 which was never been isolated just computer generated .

So they have never isolated “new virus” and proved it can infect others and cause a whole new disease.

Its been wall to wall fraud in the Covid narrative as far as the discerning eye can see.

It is so clear that the RT-qPCR testis unreliable. The other fact is that it is not a diagnostic test.

It is unable to identify a specific type of virus.

From a manufacturer of PCR test kit elements, Creative Diagnostics, “SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus Multiplex RT-qPCR Kit”:

“…non-specific interference of Influenza A Virus (H1N1), Influenza B Virus (Yamagata), Respiratory Syncytial Virus (type B), Respiratory Adenovirus (type 3, type 7), Parainfluenza Virus (type 2), Mycoplasma Pneumoniae, Chlamydia Pneumoniae, etc.”

Translation: Although this company states the test can detect COVID, it also states the test can read FALSELY positive if the patient has one of a number of other irrelevant viruses in his body. What is the test proving, then? Who knows?

And then there is so far no empirically verified common infection model for SC2 and specific mechanisms of infection. And then there is complete lack of established causality between SC2 infection, it’s threshold, load, location, considering immune response via variety of resistance mechanisms and vaguely catch- all defined COVID.

It is all diagnostic crap as inventor of PCR test warned.

Sorry guys- try to stay "within the acceptable limits" all you want- cast aspersions all you want- the science is there for all to see.

BTW there is a hefty sum, I think it is at around 400,000 Euros at the moment, for any scientist that can show a SARSCoV2 isolate and to date none have stepped up.

As for Fauci- anyone here think he amassed his $10 million from being a "man of the people."

I think most people here are intellectually lazy and can't face up to the truth of how profoundly corrupt their government is. Fauci's track record is public and easily researched- he has been involved in all sorts of wicked acts through his entire career- he is a reliable bag man for Pharma hence the longevity.

Since we don't highlight content generally our position is to leave content up.

This has not been my recent experience.

Also, there is another guy that downplayed and lied about the virus multiple times in the past year saying it is like a flu, it’s a hoax, and injecting hydroxychloroquine works…,

Many right wing idiots here backed up these claims and spread misinformation, but obviously you didn't think speak up about the 'lies'… Why would you suddenly act like you care now about the 'truth' now?

Yep. That is why you have to let people get exposed. You let people develop their own immunity to this, or at least partial. That's how it works. And this is only bad for a small % of the population. These are the facts.

Since this is only real bad for the sick and elderly, we isolate them, not the rest of the population. This will only keep it lingering longer- by social distancing and lockdowns. But hey want this to bring in even more draconian shutdowns that will kill peoples jobs for good.

We have been played by the media since day 1. You can't trust anything they say because it's all about control and power.

Allen is back! The virus has been isolated and imaged:

https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(20)31159-4.pdf

Harambe wrote:

Allen is back! The virus has been isolated and imaged:

https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(20)31159-4.pdf

Allen is polluting the boards with LIES.

Fauci is legit lol. All of these people criticizing him are just trying to "stick it to the libs".

His biggest mistake was that mask comment early on in the pandemic. But I know why he did it. At the time, masks were in short supply and needed for medical providers. He didn't want people hoarding N95 masks... so he said about how cloth masks are fine, etc.

Swaglord_the_real_one_1_one_1 wrote:

Fauci is legit lol. All of these people criticizing him are just trying to "stick it to the libs".

His biggest mistake was that mask comment early on in the pandemic. But I know why he did it. At the time, masks were in short supply and needed for medical providers. He didn't want people hoarding N95 masks... so he said about how cloth masks are fine, etc.

Fauci didn't say cloth masks are fine until months later. Nice try, Antifa.

As for banning dunes runner for saying covid is imaginary I’m not sure I’d ban someone who said the moon landing was fake. I’d probably laugh and let them express their views

So am I wrong? But as a community we can have any standards we want and we had drawn it at people saying the virus wasn’t real.

Dunes has emailed me the following:

What I stated was that a covid19 virus has never been isolated from uncontaminated material, which is a requirement to (1) prove it's a virus and (2) that it exists. None of the tests to find the virus that followed the proper protocols have ever proven covid19 exists.

That has nothing to do with the PCR test.

Now you're asking me what I think! So now you're going to try and ban me from thinking??? That's ridiculous.

You apparently have a very limited understanding of physiology, so it's not right for you to ban people who do understand physiology just because they don't agree with your thinking.

Many people in the community on that same thread agree with me.

Jackoo wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Allen is back! The virus has been isolated and imaged:

https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(20)31159-4.pdf

Allen is polluting the boards with LIES.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-isolated-idUSKBN28E2SB

Perfect example of what I said about how intellectually lazy people are around here.

Click on the Reuters "fact check" link. It takes you to a WHO article of one page that says pretty much nothing. Simply that on Jan. 7th some Chinese scientists claim they isolated the virus (They did not in fact and later stated this but no doubt our LR sleuths are too lazy and incurious to research this).

Here is the extent of Reuter's "fact checking"- folks should go look at it:

A novel coronavirus was identified as the cause by Chinese authorities on 7 January 2020 and was temporarily named “2019-nCoV”.

But hey the WHO says so and there is a spiky ball-sciencey right? The WHO has become the equivalent of Orwell's INGSOC and is 82% funded by Pharma BTW.

Several study authors were asked: “Do your electron micrographs show the purified virus?”, they gave the following responses:

Study 1: Leo L. M. Poon; Malik Peiris. “Emergence of a novel human coronavirus threatening human health” Nature Medicine, March 2020

Replying Author: Malik Peiris

Date: May 12, 2020

Answer: “The image is the virus budding from an infected cell. It is not purified virus.”

Study 2: Myung-Guk Han et al. “Identification of Coronavirus Isolated from a Patient in Korea with COVID-19”, Osong Public Health and Research Perspectives, February 2020

Replying Author: Myung-Guk Han

Date: May 6, 2020

Answer: “We could not estimate the degree of purification because we do not purify and concentrate the virus cultured in cells.”

Study 3: Wan Beom Park et al. “Virus Isolation from the First Patient with SARS-CoV-2 in Korea”, Journal of Korean Medical Science, February 24, 2020

Replying Author: Wan Beom Park

Date: March 19, 2020

Answer: “We did not obtain an electron micrograph showing the degree of purification.”

Study 4: Na Zhu et al., “A Novel Coronavirus from Patients with Pneumonia in China”, 2019, New England Journal of Medicine, February 20, 2020

Replying Author: Wenjie Tan

Date: March 18, 2020

Answer: “[We show] an image of sedimented virus particles, not purified ones.”

There is no scientific evidence that a virus called SARS-CoV-2 causes a disease called COVID 19.

For example the SARS-CoV-2 S gene is meant to be highly specific to the SARS-CoV-2 virus genome. The target sequence is – TTGGCAAAATTCAAGACTCACTTTC. A microbial BLAST search returns 97 microbial matches with 100% identity sequence match. The lowest identity percentage match, within the top 100, is 95%. A human genome BLAST also finds a 100% sequence match to 86 human chromosome fragments.

No matter where you look in the supposed genome of SARS-CoV-2, there is nothing in the WHO’s test protocols that clearly identifies what it is. The whole genome could be false. The tests do not prove the existence of SARS-CoV-2. All they reveal is a soup of unspecified genetic material.

If so, as there are no isolates or purified samples of the virus, without a viable test, there is no evidence that SARS-CoV-2 exists. Therefore, nor is there any evidence that a disease called COVID 19 exists.

This infers that there is no scientific basis for any claims about COVID 19 case numbers, hospital admissions or mortality figures. All measures taken to combat this deadly virus are quite possibly founded upon nothing.

Well, if Fauci is now saying we need 90% immune to achieve herd immunity, then he is knowingly lying again. Measles needs 90-95% vaccination rates, but measles has an R0 value of around 18.

COVID has an R0 in the 2-3 range. High end, that indicates about 67% immunization to get to herd immunity. That in line with what every other epidemiologist has said all along.

He’s obviously lying again to goose vaccination demand. It’s a strategy to speed along the process of achieving HI, but it does knowingly depend on a lie.

I also expect that post-pandemic analysis will show masks did little to slow COVID spread.

huh what wrote:

I also expect that post-pandemic analysis will show masks did little to slow COVID spread.

Why do you think so? Doesn't it seem like most places with people truly using masks had low transmission (Taiwan for example), whereas places where little masks were used had super high transmission (NYC in early March, Florida most of the time).

Swaglord_the_real_one_1_one_1 wrote:

Fauci is legit lol. All of these people criticizing him are just trying to "stick it to the libs".

His biggest mistake was that mask comment early on in the pandemic. But I know why he did it. At the time, masks were in short supply and needed for medical providers. He didn't want people hoarding N95 masks... so he said about how cloth masks are fine, etc.

Do you ever consider that a) masks were shown to be ineffective at controlling Spanish flu in 1918, and b) every RCT trial has shown masks to have no value as infection prevention or source control outside of medical settings, and c) masks have never been recommended for any outbreak since 1918, and d) COVID has continued to spread rapidly despite widespread mask usage?

I think Fauci was telling the truth in March, and powers-that-be realized that we needed a visible fear-mitigation device to keep the economy from tanking completely if people were afraid to work, shop, etc. for years. Hence: masks!

Saying that SARSCov2 exists demands evidence. To date that has not been proven in the scientific community. Show me the evidence it has.

As I said before there is a very real and substantial reward for any scientist that can show the SARSCov2 isolate. This is widely known throughout the European scientific community and none of the "luminaries" have been able to cash in.

There is also a series of FOIA requests to over 40 different nations asking for evidence and none have this isolated in their databases. How come?

Dunes said the following:

What I stated was that a covid19 virus has never been isolated from uncontaminated material, which is a requirement to (1) prove it's a virus and (2) that it exists. None of the tests to find the virus that followed the proper protocols have ever proven covid19 exists.

This is a fact- I challenge anyone here to prove otherwise.

Think about it, this should be easy. We should already have had that paper and it's broadcast should have been disseminated widely, discussed and debated. It has not as it does not currently exist.

We would not be discussing the minutiae of this if we were truly in a global pandemic of biblical proportion.

Banning dunes for this level of discourse is pretty deplorable and represents where we are- a pretty sad state of constant censorship and the "woke" phonies unable to discuss anything that offends their delicate sensibilities.

Rojo

You may have noticed that those who are both honest and wish to continue working in the Trump administration have the difficult task of determining how much reality they can leak before termination. I suppose Fauci can be faulted for not hanging everything out from the beginning, but he wouldn’t have made it to the end and then who knows what bleach-swilling lunatic would have replaced him. Trump flagrantly hated it any time Fauci said the virus wouldn’t be gone in weeks, so get real. The problem has never been Fauci and has always been Trump.

Swaglord_the_real_one_1_one_1 wrote:

huh what wrote:

I also expect that post-pandemic analysis will show masks did little to slow COVID spread.

Why do you think so? Doesn't it seem like most places with people truly using masks had low transmission (Taiwan for example), whereas places where little masks were used had super high transmission (NYC in early March, Florida most of the time).

Asian success cannot be attributed to policy alone. Many Asian scientists believe that biological factors, like a degree of preexisting immunity, are far more important. There was a good WaPo article on it that you can find.

Also, how do you explain parts of the world like parts of Africa and the middle east, Scandinavia, New Zealand, etc that don’t have widespread mask usage and also have low COVID rates?

Also: Florida doesn’t have especially high rates.

huh what wrote:

Do you ever consider that a) masks were shown to be ineffective at controlling Spanish flu in 1918, and b) every RCT trial has shown masks to have no value as infection prevention or source control outside of medical settings, and c) masks have never been recommended for any outbreak since 1918, and d) COVID has continued to spread rapidly despite widespread mask usage?

I think Fauci was telling the truth in March, and powers-that-be realized that we needed a visible fear-mitigation device to keep the economy from tanking completely if people were afraid to work, shop, etc. for years. Hence: masks!

You didn't address anything in my earlier post.

How do masks not help "outside of medical settings"? Lol. I think you're a troll.

You're completely wrong.

Allen you continue to lie, lie, lie and lie and when exposed you lie some more and call others intellectually lazy because they do not act obsequious regarding your deception. You are another narcissist who shows time and time again how you are manipulated and manipulative. Sad to see how your tilt at windmills incessantly.

Where did you get the target sequence for the S gene? I corroborated your result on BLAST, but am a bit dumbfounded by this.

For what it's worth, most of the results' query sequence identities (excluding SARS-CoV-2 relatives isolated from bat, pangolin) are 60-80%, which may not be strong enough complementation for PCR primer binding (even where the sequence identity for the part of the query that is identical is 100%).