Lead Foil Hat wrote:
I am still pretty sure you and Harambe are the same person, so....there is that too.
Given the challenges you and Unkle display using the quote function, I’m pretty sure you two are the same person.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
I am still pretty sure you and Harambe are the same person, so....there is that too.
Given the challenges you and Unkle display using the quote function, I’m pretty sure you two are the same person.
Hutre wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
I am still pretty sure you and Harambe are the same person, so....there is that too.
Given the challenges you and Unkle display using the quote function, I’m pretty sure you two are the same person.
I certainly to not espouse the same beliefs as Unkle, so no. Is this a new name Harambe, branching out? Why are you so obsessed with the quote function? It seems a bit excessive and only adds extra redundant text to the threads.
Harambe wrote:
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.pageYMMV wrote:
From their peak of almost 1000 deaths per day reported in April, NY dropped to a low of 8/day and now are at 54, with flat trajectory. It's best to describe it as another "endemic" virus. This is the typical path of all respiratory viruses, from epidemic in first season to seasonal endemic indefinitely after.
NYC trending upwards in deaths right in line with cases and hospitalizations. Not surprising.
I thought those deaths were faked? Surprising you now acknowledge they're real.
Progress.
Deaths go up every year at this time, for the last couple of million years. With enough PCR cycles, you can attribute about as many as you want/need to "covid" instead of influenza or other causes. Try to keep up with the technology.
LOL - you made at everyone who belongs to a country club? I bet you're one of the keynesian multiplier cucks pushing the lefts snowflake agenda. COVID is a political tool first and foremost PERIOD. Do some research on the CARES act and how hospitals are reimbursed for COVID cases, it is eye opening. With the current reimbursement models for a "COVID CASE" it makes absolute sense why there continue to be so many and why few of us no anyone who has truly experienced severe symptoms.
Yes there is a pattern to yearly deaths which Harambe has kindly linked to in his Cdc excess deaths link. Deaths have been above pattern ( by a lot) save for thanksgiving week, which may be a function of which day of the month Thanksgiving occurs on.
Harambe wrote:
joedirtt wrote:
They are not taking it more seriously than anywhere else. My town has had mask mandates since the summer, virtual learning for over a month, in person dining banned, and our case growth has been among the fastest in the nation. Like I said, compare New York City to basically everywhere else that didn't get hit hard initially. It's not even close, and it's not behavior.
Compliance in general is pretty poor in USA. NYC has been more strict than most but I digress....
Cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are rising in NYC. How is that herd immunity?
Your estimate of 660k deaths is 0.2% of USA population roughly. A little less. NYC is already at 0.3% fatality rate and climbing.
Nice to see you are just making stuff up (which should surprise nobody). Here are the official numbers for New York:
https://covid19tracker.health.ny.gov/views/NYS-COVID19-Tracker/NYSDOHCOVID-19Tracker-Fatalities?%3Aembed=yes&%3Atoolbar=no&%3Atabs=nThe five boroughs have a combined 16,998 deaths with a combined population of 8,319,705, which puts them at a fatality rate of 0.204%, which is 78.6% of the IFR approximation of 0.26%. This is the main reason why over the past month their deaths have increased by less than 2%, while my state (Colorado) has seen a 50% rise in deaths over the same period in spite of harsher restrictions and a lower population density.
The Unkle wrote:
Dr. Fowchi wrote:
The 10 years is probably the average of all of those who died. The median is 81 so those 50% were at the end of life but there were enough deaths of 60 year olds who had 15-20 years left to cause the average to be 10 years.
Maybe. If you make the assumption that those in the younger age groups were healthy. A bad assumption. A 25 year old with cancer who is chalked up as a covid death did not have a 50 plus year life expectancy, for example
I would have to do some more math,
Here are the age groups.
https://www.heritage.org/data-visualizations/public-health/covid-19-deaths-by-age/
You, "lead foil hat" and a few others are posting a variety of thoughts mixed with name calling by you and others; I agree that there is not a productive conversation taking place but I'm also not entirely sure exactly what you are trying to argue for or accomplish here?
I am trying to boil down your arguments, please let me know if this is misrepresenting what you are trying to say:
1. Vaccines can't be trusted (I don't entirely follow what the specific concern about the vaccines are but maybe this can be better explained).
2. Most of the deaths due to COVID are in people who were very ill and likely to die in the next year due to other grave health conditions which made them susceptible
3. The COVID pandemic is being used to restrict liberties through restrictions being imposed merely to manipulate and punish the general public
As far as #3 this is more about underlying motivations and not sure how this can be objectively argued either way from empiric evidence or experiential observations. As far as #1 again I don't understand the specific concerns. As far as #2 - the argument that over 90% of the death certificates for deaths with COVID19 listed as a contributing cause of death have listed other medical conditions as well doesn't establish that patients were gravely ill for other reasons. The mortality rate in the US over the past 9 months is significantly in excess of the predicted mortality rate. You could reason that some of this may be related to the effect of the COVID pandemic including lack of access to health care for other medical problems or even deaths due to despair related to public health restrictions, which likely is contributing to a minor extent, but if you look at the causes of death and the increasing number of deaths listed due to COVID19; it is very unlikely that these deaths are due to primarily to COVID restrictions when COVID19 infection is listed as the cause of death.
trashcan wrote:
YMMV wrote:
From their peak of almost 1000 deaths per day reported in April, NY dropped to a low of 8/day and now are at 54, with flat trajectory. It's best to describe it as another "endemic" virus. This is the typical path of all respiratory viruses, from epidemic in first season to seasonal endemic indefinitely after.
Sorry, accidental post above. Spanish flu started in the United States in March 1918 and had 4 waves going through 2020. The most damage was done in the second wave, but the third, in winter-spring 1819 exceeded the first
Yeah, in 1918 there was a this little issue of a World War and resulting famine and total societal disruption going on at the time, not to mention that without air travel it took longer for the flu to spread worldwide. In the current case the the societal disruption has been brought by hysterical media and government edicts for a virus with a 99.94% survival rate.
Biden is keeping Fauci.
Biden is adding Mayor Pete.
So Fauci may also soon be full of Mayor Pete.
Of course the societal upheaval of 2020 was created as a result of attempts to slow the spread of coronavirus. To the extent that was successful we would expect the time course of the pandemic to be extended. You can certainly argue about how successful those policies have been in various locales, But I certainly wouldn’t be so confident in your expectations of the time course.
Also, no reasonable reading of the data could support your survival rate number.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Hutre wrote:
Given the challenges you and Unkle display using the quote function, I’m pretty sure you two are the same person.
I certainly to not espouse the same beliefs as Unkle, so no. Is this a new name Harambe, branching out? Why are you so obsessed with the quote function? It seems a bit excessive and only adds extra redundant text to the threads.
When you have no argument to be made, you practice diversion. Hence the obsession with the quote function.
"Full of baloney"? How old are you unkle? Haven't heard that phrase in a number of years.
hydrochloroquine wrote:
[quote]The Unkle wrote:
[quote]Dr. Fowchi wrote:
The 10 years is probably the average of all of those who died. The median is 81 so those 50% were at the end of life but there were enough deaths of 60 year olds who had 15-20 years left to cause the average to be 10 years.
1. Vaccines can't be trusted (I don't entirely follow what the specific concern about the vaccines are but maybe this can be better explained).
Specifically this one cannot be trusted. And I am wary of them in general. See what RFK Jr. and Del Bigtree have uncovered on vaccines. The very fact that a law was passed in the late 80s that prevent people harmed or killed by vaccines from suing the company that made the vaccines is a huge red flag.
2. Most of the deaths due to COVID are in people who were very ill and likely to die in the next year due to other grave health conditions which made them susceptible.
Yes. Very ill, old, and nearly half in nursing homes where 63% of people don't last one full year. An overstatement of deaths caused by Covid is a key piece to the fear campaign we have been subjected to 24/7 for almost ten months now
3. The COVID pandemic is being used to restrict liberties through restrictions being imposed merely to manipulate and punish the general public.
This seems to be the case. Although it could simply be a matter of money. The CARES Act gave trillions to the richest people and think of how much money is in it for Big Pharma with 7 billion new vaccines every year. The fact that we have been subject to an unprecedented campaign of fear for so long makes me at least suspicious that the agenda behind it may be worse than a simple money grab.
Das Unkle wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
I certainly to not espouse the same beliefs as Unkle, so no. Is this a new name Harambe, branching out? Why are you so obsessed with the quote function? It seems a bit excessive and only adds extra redundant text to the threads.
When you have no argument to be made, you practice diversion. Hence the obsession with the quote function.
It is important to point out that you regularly practice misinformation tactics (breaking the quote function) to show yet another example of your lack of credibility. I'm glad people are keen to it.
Why do you do it?
The Unkle wrote:
[quote]The Unkle wrote:
Fauci is the spokesman for some very demented and dangerous people
Those demented and dangerous people are often privileged enough stay home all day and direct narratives on social media. Some post by the minute on this site in threads like this.
Never forget their names.
the beagle wrote:
Das Unkle wrote:
I certainly to not espouse the same beliefs as Unkle, so no. Is this a new name Harambe, branching out? Why are you so obsessed with the quote function? It seems a bit excessive and only adds extra redundant text to the threads.
When you have no argument to be made, you practice diversion. Hence the obsession with the quote function.
It is important to point out that you regularly practice misinformation tactics (breaking the quote function) to show yet another example of your lack of credibility. I'm glad people are keen to it.
Show me one example of me "regularly practicing misinformation tactics", whatever that means.
Armstronglivs wrote:
The Unkle wrote:
[quote]The Unkle wrote:
So let's analyze what he is doing here, saying here.
1. First he is pressuring everyone to take this vaccine and laying the groundwork for a narrative to blame those who do not cave. Setting up a scenario where these assaults on our basic rights can continue.
2. He then states, that if we all do as we are told, we can acheive herd immunity by end of Spring or early summer. Yet, for some reason, no relief from these extraordinary public "health" measures can be considered until the Fall.
3. He then sets us up to accept the idea that, even beyond the Fall, beyond the end of 2021, mask usage, event cancellations, etc. will continue. Why? if we have herd immunity, why?
Remember three weeks to flatten the curve?
How about three years of this nonsense and never returning to normal.
Fauci is the spokesman for some very demented and dangerous people
You do have some "very demented and dangerous people" - but Fauci isn't one of them. They have allowed the deaths of over 300,000 Americans from Covid in less than a year (more than all the US combat deaths in 4 years in WW2.)
Here is one in the flesh who pushes the story to put the blame people he or she didn't like before the pandemic.
Das Unkle wrote:
the beagle wrote:
When you have no argument to be made, you practice diversion. Hence the obsession with the quote function.
It is important to point out that you regularly practice misinformation tactics (breaking the quote function) to show yet another example of your lack of credibility. I'm glad people are keen to it.
Show me one example of me "regularly practicing misinformation tactics", whatever that means.
You just did it, in this very response, by breaking the quote tree. That is a common misinformation tactic to muddy the history of comments. Straight out of the Siberian playbook.
the beagle wrote:
Das Unkle wrote:
It is important to point out that you regularly practice misinformation tactics (breaking the quote function) to show yet another example of your lack of credibility. I'm glad people are keen to it.
Show me one example of me "regularly practicing misinformation tactics", whatever that means.
You just did it, in this very response, by breaking the quote tree. That is a common misinformation tactic to muddy the history of comments. Straight out of the Siberian playbook.
WTF?