With all of the tech companies moving to Texas. Texas may go blue in 2024. For sure by 2028

Engineers are mostly Republicans. MIT pumps out many Republicans. But why is it that we are told that the rich are Republicans and they send their kids to the best schools? Yet, you are telling me that the grads of these schools somehow transform into Democrats while there.

I don't really see tremendous irony in the OP post. Say what you will in vague terms about your opinions of the reasoning behind these corporate moves and predict how that affects the future all you want. It doesn't really matter how or why any of this happens. The fact is, if the population of Texas becomes more educated, then Texas becomes more likely to vote for Democratic candidates. The OP's logic is justified.

There are very few people near the top involved in making the decision to "flee far-left" policies. There is almost no connection between the few decision makers and the political leanings of the massive amount of employees that work for those companies which will now move jobs to Texas. Just because the corporation moves across state lines for different policies or tax regulations doesn't mean that anything about the employees changes.

So employees that move to Texas won't change their political views because they moved. Texans that get jobs with these companies won't change their political views because they have a new job. The net result will probably be that the number of Democratic-leaning voters in Texas increases though.

There are more Democrat voters than republican voters as a whole in this country. If Democrat voters move from concentrated blue state like california to places like texas, there’s more chance of the state flipping.

Democrat has much greater advantage with more voters and just need to spread those voters out of concentrated areas and there will be more state flipping going on.

Bad Wigins wrote:

You are out to lunch of you think Texas can go blue because of an influx of a few wealth white collar workers. There were people who thought that would happen this year, they were smoking something.

What really happened in Texas is the only blue part of the state - the Hispanic majority southern areas - shifted heavily red toward as they are sick of the Democrats.

The dramatic GOP improvement among minorities is a major reason the results are so suspect. If Biden lost so much ground in the Dem base, who are these hordes of whites who supposedly turned out to vote for him? Half the country is never gonna believe it. Maybe you do, but stick a fork in the electoral process because a 50% trust rating doesn't cut it.

There is always geographical realignment underway. I'm old enough to remember when Texas was a blue state and CA was red. Just look at an election map from 1976. Texas was trending blue before 2020. Hillary did better in Texas than Obama and Biden did better than Hillary. The same is true in GA and AZ.

Perhaps no state has shifted blue more rapidly in the last few election cycles than Colorado - and maybe Virginia. What all of those states have in common are rapidly growing metro areas with in-migration of younger people.

What is unknown is how much is due to the Trump effect. The enormous turnout this year is an anomaly and may distort what appear to be trends. What so many of Trump's supporters can't seem to come to terms with is how much he was personally disliked by the majority of American voters (as opposed to dislike of his policies). Trump is what drove the massive turnout - I have never seen anything like it in my life and I'm in my late 60s.

Trump's wealth is miniscule compared to the Oligarchs who really run this country

You know. The ones that own the mainstream media and the pols who have spent over four years pushing the Russians did it lie.

I'm sure this is all random lol. The left plays chess while the right plays checkers. Just look at the "election".

Bad Wigins wrote:

You are out to lunch of you think Texas can go blue because of an influx of a few wealth white collar workers. There were people who thought that would happen this year, they were smoking something.

What really happened in Texas is the only blue part of the state - the Hispanic majority southern areas - shifted heavily red toward as they are sick of the Democrats.

The dramatic GOP improvement among minorities is a major reason the results are so suspect. If Biden lost so much ground in the Dem base, who are these hordes of whites who supposedly turned out to vote for him? Half the country is never gonna believe it. Maybe you do, but stick a fork in the electoral process because a 50% trust rating doesn't cut it.

Following up on your last point. Biden lost ground in the Dem base but he made up for it elsewhere. In particular, Biden won with independents who broke strongly for Trump in 2016. Trump actually performed better in the large cities with the Dem base but Biden out-performed Hillary by significant margins in the suburbs. In other words, Trump lost the center.

Yep, they can make more money by moving . That's the bottom line. Everything is so expensive in the Bay. A 1500sf house in San Jose is 1.3 million. Go to an upscale suburb or area like Los Gatos and it's almost 2 million for a small house.

Far-left policies of California?

This sounds like a guy who made up his mind on the events without bothering to read up on the details, all to arrive at a conclusion comfortable with his views.

Musks' "last straw" was Covid-19 restrictions; apparently data-driven health policy is far-left. Other gripes include the high cost of living in Silicon Valley, housing and taxes. The closest to a "far-left" policy I see here is taxes. Otherwise, Silicon Valley & neighbouring areas are expensive asf because local governments have been unwilling to act and have let 'free markets' work.

The biggest motivation for these companies is money; they couldn't care less what policy is in place as long as they can keep their costs down and make money. That's why they're moving to Texas and Nevada and Colorado (and New York, many of them, including Amazon last year) and not to Kentucky or Mississippi or West Virginia.[/quote]

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What's ironic is that without California Tesla would not even exist. Half of EV sales are still in CA and the state's stricter emission standards helped to the create the demand for Tesla vehicles. Musk could have never gone into the Southeast or Midwest and built a market for Tesla that way he did in CA.

rojo wrote:

Op, have you not realized the irony of your post? You are trying to use the fact that many big tech luminaries and companies are fleeing the far-left policies of California - whether it's Oracle or Elon Musk - to prove that the country is turning to the left.

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Yes and no. You'd think that folks fleeing CA wouldn't drag CA's disastrous policies/politics with them, and some won't, but amazingly most will. They are so thoroughly brainwashed that they'd rather flee their homes than reconsider their political pledges of allegiance.

On the other hand, Republicans mostly remain sufficiently revolting to repel those who are actually willing to consider different policies...

mwh wrote:

rojo wrote:

Op, have you not realized the irony of your post? You are trying to use the fact that many big tech luminaries and companies are fleeing the far-left policies of California - whether it's Oracle or Elon Musk - to prove that the country is turning to the left.

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Yes and no. You'd think that folks fleeing CA wouldn't drag CA's disastrous policies/politics with them, and some won't, but amazingly most will. They are so thoroughly brainwashed that they'd rather flee their homes than reconsider their political pledges of allegiance.

On the other hand, Republicans mostly remain sufficiently revolting to repel those who are actually willing to consider different policies...

Disastrous? The fifth biggest economy in the world.

rojo wrote:

Op, have you not realized the irony of your post? You are trying to use the fact that many big tech luminaries and companies are fleeing the far-left policies of California - whether it's Oracle or Elon Musk - to prove that the country is turning to the left.

I suspect that tax laws enacted a couple of years ago with the intention of punishing blue states ending up backfiring to some degree, as they ended up sending a lot of high-income professionals (the primary focus of the targeting) who tend to vote Dem to Texas and other red states.

what the what wrote:

What does go blue even mean?

Hmmm..... Where to begin. The quickest answer is to ask anyone living in California, or should I say soon "not to be" living in California.

In a nutshell:

Increased taxes.

No immigration laws.

Increased gas prices.

Increased regulatory laws.

Increased crime.

Having a state being run by hypocritical elitists who will be controlled by Big Tech.

Outside of that everything should be great......only 50 degrees hotter!

"Go Run One"

Aouita 84 wrote:

what the what wrote:

What does go blue even mean?

Hmmm..... Where to begin. The quickest answer is to ask anyone living in California, or should I say soon "not to be" living in California.

In a nutshell:

Increased taxes.

No immigration laws.

Increased gas prices.

Increased regulatory laws.

Increased crime.

Having a state being run by hypocritical elitists who will be controlled by Big Tech.

Outside of that everything should be great......only 50 degrees hotter!

"Go Run One"

Anyone moving to Texas to get away from immigrants and violent crime is going to be very disappointed.

Is there any chance "the system" of one left party and one right party might fracture or come to an end, either in US or UK?

rojo wrote:

Op, have you not realized the irony of your post? You are trying to use the fact that many big tech luminaries and companies are fleeing the far-left policies of California - whether it's Oracle or Elon Musk - to prove that the country is turning to the left.

It's all very interesting.

I think the #1 takeaway of 2020 though so far is that people aren't willing to go crazy far left. Look at the House and Senate results. Everyone is assuming, "oh demographics mean this." But the parties adapt and you can only go so far culturally without there being a bit of a pushback.

For the most part, I think people like divided govt - that's why the party that wins the presidency almost always gets destroyed in the midterms.

I don’t see the irony of the post. I’m stating that with tech companies having bigger presence in Texas, more left leaning population will be migrating to Texas and therefore would swing Texas to a blue state eventually.

I’m not trying to prove that country is turning left.

This works the other way too. Why do you think a state like Ohio is now solidly red? People have been fleeing that state two decades (its frequently the “most moved from” state in the country). I’ll admit I’m one of those that fled for greener pastures (I.e. better weather, environment, stronger focus on local communities and businesses v. the Walmart’s, Olive Gardens and strip malls of the world). People commenting that migration between states means nothing politically do not follow historical election results.

Well, Goldman Sachs anyway, is considering moving some divisions from NYC to Florida to escape taxes, as Tudor Funds did a few years ago from Greenwich, CT.

Instead of GOP, can we align on a new name? ROP (Racist old party)? BOP (Backwards old party)? Maybe OP (Old Party)? Or, my favorite, OPP (Old People Party)?

I think it's important to capture what a concept embodies in its name. If you don't, you can get lulled into forgetting the significance of what underlies the name.

For example, in conventional media, the G/R/B/OPP has largely shifted the name "Global Warming" to "Climate Change". The original version clearly conveys the concept and, IMO, implies a clear threat. The newer version sounds largely benign on its face.