Why is a covid vaccine necessary when 99% of the population is healthy?

Yes, quite airtight. 97% of hospitalizations are for the unvaccinated. Deaths in the most vaccinated and susceptible population, the elderly, have plummeted since the vaccine came in wide use in January-February. Right now, in this epidemic of the unvaccinated, we've had a 101% rise in deaths in the past two weeks and another 118% rise in daily cases, bringing them to 124,470. In other words, my prediction of over 200,000 daily cases by September is easily on target. Yet, another case where solid quantitative predictions have been right on the money. The rate of increase has dropped from 150% to 110-120% in the past three weeks and now we're on pace to reach 375,000 by the end of the month. I expect the rate of increase to still fall, but not that radically. Even with 78% growth per two weeks, we'd get to 281,000 daily cases by the end of the month. Hospitalizations are at record levels in numerous states and in Florida I am seeing multiple ambulances every day for the first time ever.

The Unkle wrote:

zxcvzxcv wrote:

97% of the currently hospitalized are unvaccinated.

Where is that?

Every specific place I have read about, from Israel, to England, to PTown MA, the majority of cases and hospitalizations are among the vaxxed

nebraska2020 wrote:

I'm tired of hearing the same bullying/ intimidation/ manipulation with regard to vaccination. Iceland is near fully vaccinated and Delta is spreading fast through the population. In the same article, this is stated:

"But, last week, the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the US published a new case study of a Delta outbreak in Provincetown, Massachusetts.

It prompted the CDC to advise even fully vaccinated people to continue wearing masks.

About 75 per cent of those who contracted Delta in that town were fully vaccinated. About 470 cases were detected. Five were hospitalised. None died.

But the study found the same levels of Covid Delta virus living in the noses and throats of both the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-iceland-deals-with-growing-delta-problem/POBMY237SUXMD46PHFEZ3OU2BA/

Either way you slice it, the obsession and anger directed at those not yet vaccinated is stupid. Either the vaccines work, in which case those currently vaccinated need not worry, or they don't in which case obsessing over the vaccine is pointless. The evidence seems pretty clear that vaccines work in defense against the current strains, however those with the vaccine can still spread it. No matter which way I think about it, the conclusion is the same - if you're in a high-risk group you should get vaccinated to protect yourself, if you're not (i.e. you have a healthy immune system or natural immunity) then it's less of a concern and if you're vaccinated then you should be even less worried - all of which indicate that obsessing over people without vaccines is a waste of time.

Why do COVID fearmongers keep saying this "97% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated" line as if it's some kind of gotcha? Guess what? When this thread was first made, 100% of hospitalizations were from the unvaccinated? How did you live your life back then? Fearing you were going to die every second of every day?

And one more question that I know I won't get an answer to: please give me an age breakdown of the current hospitalizations. And I also want to know if these were healthy people who are currently hospitalized. Because the original question of this thread still stands: if you are young and healthy then why would you need to be vaccinated?

Sure if you ignore the facts and stick to your dogma:

1) The vaccine was never 100% protective. Extremely high-risk people are always more vulnerable (elderly, co-morbs. etc.). Plus a portion of population cannot get vaccinated. Thus eliminating carriers of the diseases is important.

2) Breakthrough infections can spread the disease but this is much much less common in vaccinated people, mass vaccination breaks the chain of transmission much faster. Look at viral load dynamics in vax/unvax even with Delta.

3) Unvaccinated people have higher viral loads for longer which is a primary factor in long-term viral evolution. A vaccinated population makes it much harder to variants to emerge and take hold.

2600 bro wrote:

3) Unvaccinated people have higher viral loads for longer which is a primary factor in long-term viral evolution. A vaccinated population makes it much harder to variants to emerge and take hold.

As a general statement, rather than something backed by the specifics of this disease/vaccine,

this is an invalid argument for vaccinating everyone.

In evolution, there is survival of the fittest and survival of the lucky.

The more people that are vaccinated by this leaky vaccine, the more fittest means being able

to infect the vaccinated.

Take the extremes. If 1% are vaccinated, coming in contact with a strain that can infect

them means you were unlucky. If 100% are vaccinated, by definition, all the strains that

are circulating can infect the vaccinated and evolutionary pressure means the best at

that will emerge very quickly (there will overlap between best at infecting vaccinated,

unvaccinated, and those that have recovered once, but it is not going to be perfect).

With experience in Israel and Iceland, it looks like you are not going to vaccinate this

out of existence. Which means the better strategy might be to just vaccinate the vulnerable.

This will likely allow the vaccine to remain effective longer--a strain that bypasses the

vaccine is less likely to become dominate. And, as a general consensus,

viruses become more contagious but less deadly as time goes on, so you actually want

faster viral evolution among the non-vulnerable.

Most Americans are out of shape, so their chances of bad effects from COVID are high. What's your point? Is an exercise boom all of a sudden going to prevent most COVID deaths? No. But a vaccination boom and a mask boom would do that at minimal expense and difficulty.

xczvzxcv wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

Where is that?

Every specific place I have read about, from Israel, to England, to PTown MA, the majority of cases and hospitalizations are among the vaxxed

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187https://www.npr.org/2021/07/16/1017012853/97-of-people-entering-hospitals-for-covid-19-are-unvaccinated

Those links are absolutely false information. I work in a hospital, that is BS to the nth degree. Not your fault as you didn't create the link, but it's clearly BS.

Harambe wrote:

Biden the Pedo wrote:

Don't need to answer your other two questions. I mean c'mon, a drug is at best unhealthy. At worst, deadly. I can't see why someone would be proud of something that say, prevents liver failure but then eventually causes kidney failure. There's a myriad of short and long term side effects with every drug. No one should ever need to take one.

To jump in...

What about a drug makes it "at best unhealthy?" Sounds dangerously close to a naturalistic fallacy. I could show you 50 compounds found in plants you eat every day and 50 pharmaceuticals and you'd have a hard time telling the two apart.

I have a hard time tellng you apart from horses a$$.

This vaccine is not more leaky than many other vaccines. You’re just spewing a talking point you read. For instance smallpox vaccine was ~90-95% effective at preventing infection and remains effective for somewhere on the order of 3-5 years. Yet we still eradicated smallpox.

Additionally there is no rule that virus become less dangerous as the mutate. They mutate to spread faster. In the case of highly deadly viruses this usually involve decrease in fatality rate because a dead host doesn’t spread very well. In the case of COVID-19, a not highly learnt virus, it seems the variants that spread faster do so but facilitating a HIGHER viral load, faster in the infection. This high viral load is correlated with worse outcomes - viral infection is toxic! So it seems there’s some room for increase in severity via viral load increase as a fitness gain for COVID-19.

Furthermore, you realize the COVID-19 infection and vaccination produce overlapping antibodies and T cell targets. You can get vaccine escape evolution in unvaccinated people as well.

Finally you are underestimating the effect of limiting the number of viral replication events. With vaccination you have

1) lower viral loads - less mutation in the host. I can dig up a study that showed that infection TIME was a key for generating diverse variants, I.e chronic infection, which is extremely rare in vaccinated people

2) shorter transmission chains - less chance for high fitness variant to spread in the population. In my, and most experts’, opinion these two benefits of mass vaccination far outweigh the risk of specific selection for escape variants.

The viral loads between vax/unvax are the same according to CDC research. The higher viral load for longer in the unvax is after the period during which transmission to other people has already occurred so with regard to any difference in transmission rate between vax/unvax, there is none.

nebraska2020 wrote:

The viral loads between vax/unvax are the same according to CDC research. The higher viral load for longer in the unvax is after the period during which transmission to other people has already occurred so with regard to any difference in transmission rate between vax/unvax, there is none.

People are transmissible pretty much the entire time they have high viral load... that's how viruses work.

I've posted this many times. With delta infection they initial loads are similar in breakthrough cases and unvaxxed cases by the loads drop WAY faster in the vaccinated people (log scale).

Remember the chance of a case is also much less when you are vaxxed so it really does push the numbers to favor mass vaccination!

Rs are post-birth abortionist. 15% of covid patients last week were children. Many of those healthy kids are on ventilators.

"93,824 child COVID-19 cases were reported the past week from 7/29/21-8/5/21 (4,198,296 to 4,292,120) and children represented 15.0% (93,824/623,590) of the weekly reported cases"

And in Arkansas, "'It’s the sickest I’ve ever seen children.' It’s become common for more than half of the kids in the ICU to be on ventilators. A few have been in the hospital for more than a month. 'We are not able to discharge them as fast as they are coming in'."

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/08/delta-variant-covid-children/619712/

https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report?ftag=MSF0951a18

.Troothsayer. wrote:

xczvzxcv wrote:

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187https://www.npr.org/2021/07/16/1017012853/97-of-people-entering-hospitals-for-covid-19-are-unvaccinated

Those links are absolutely false information. I work in a hospital, that is BS to the nth degree. Not your fault as you didn't create the link, but it's clearly BS.

Those stats come from the CDC - who are in cahoots with Big Pharma! Let's get to the real statistics that the CDC is covering up:

The CDC exaggerating Covid cases? Nah...not the trusted & ethically sound CDC? 😆

Problems with the vaxx in the UK: 😲

please sign our Trump rally waiver wrote:

Plus polio killed way more people and if left unchecked would have overwhelmed our hospitals.

from what I read about Polio, at its worst it affected 10,000 children in the NYC area a year. so yeah....

Anti-Vaxx Tyrants wrote:

Those stats come from the CDC - who are in cahoots with Big Pharma!

You can add rabid anti-vaxxer Lindsey Graham as a Big Pharma team member. You can ignore that was vaxxed, as are most of Rs in the Senate, and a lot of them in the House. He now want people to get the vaxxed, "For your own good and the good of our state."

Graham got covid last week and from the video below he is suffering and refusing to self-isolate.

Vaxxtards only know what the media tells them

https://media.patriots.win/post/YyxktmDt.png

The anti-trump social media types on the left are just as dumb as the ones on the right.

Doesn't change the fact the vaccines are safe effective and ending COVID.

The vaccine is pure evil, designed to alter your RNA.

I would rather commit suicide than inject that poison into my healthy body.