YMMV wrote:
https://www.outsideonline.com/1915506/why-do-gorillas-have-such-small-genitalsHarambe wrote:
Harambe was Hunter Biden level hung, haven’t you seen the photos? RIP
Now you understand why Harambe was killed. Welcome to redpill life
YMMV wrote:
https://www.outsideonline.com/1915506/why-do-gorillas-have-such-small-genitalsHarambe wrote:
Harambe was Hunter Biden level hung, haven’t you seen the photos? RIP
Now you understand why Harambe was killed. Welcome to redpill life
Allen53 wrote:
This part was rather telling:
These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.
When Briand looked at the 2020 data during that seasonal period, COVID-19-related deaths exceeded deaths from heart diseases. This was highly unusual since heart disease has always prevailed as the leading cause of deaths. However, when taking a closer look at the death numbers, she noted something strange. As Briand compared the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more surprising, as seen in the graph below, this sudden decline in deaths is observed for all other causes.
Then there's the DEATH CERTIFICATES themselves:
The majority of people who died had significant comorbidities, such as Alzheimer’s, cancer, cardiovascular disease and diabetes.
Counting death certificates with a ‘mention’ of covid as being a death caused by covid is a gross misrepresentation of the facts and has vastly over exaggerated the death toll.
The rules for the signing of death certificates have been changed solely for "Covid" by the Coronavirus 2020 Act.
Doctors do not even need to have physically seen the patient in order to sign death certificates.
The Act has removed the need for a confirmatory medical certificate for cremations.
Autopsies have virtually been banned, no doubt leading to misdiagnosis of the true cause of deaths; and also reducing our understanding of the disease itself.
Worse still, care home staff who largely have no medical training are able to give a statement as to the cause of death.
"Covid" was put on death certificates merely on the ‘suspicion’ of people having "Covid." This may well be unlawful, since it is a crime to falsify death certificates.
People who die within 28 days of a positive PCR test are deemed to have died from "Covid", even if they die in a car crash or from a heart attack; clearly over inflating the death toll.
Allen, from the tenor of your post I am going to guess that you do NOT take care of critically ill patients, do NOT sign death certificates, and have NOT had patients under your care die from Covid. I do. I will not pick apart your post point by point, it would take too long and would be pearls before swine. But I will assure you, when I put down respiratory failure due to overwhelming viral pneumonia due to sars-cov-2 as the cause of death, that's what they died from. I will also assure you that you are dead wrong about the death certificate data overestimating the covid toll, just the opposite is true. It is very common that covid does not find its way onto the death certificate in someone who clearly died of the disease.
Harambe wrote:
seek ye the truth wrote:
This one's for you Harambe.
Harambe was Hunter Biden level hung, haven’t you seen the photos? RIP
Sadly I did click and see but clicked off after I saw the under age Chinese girl. Can't unsee though. Yeah, a dead dick, is well, dead.
drbop wrote:
Allen53 wrote:
This part was rather telling:
These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.
When Briand looked at the 2020 data during that seasonal period, COVID-19-related deaths exceeded deaths from heart diseases. This was highly unusual since heart disease has always prevailed as the leading cause of deaths. However, when taking a closer look at the death numbers, she noted something strange. As Briand compared the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more surprising, as seen in the graph below, this sudden decline in deaths is observed for all other causes.
Then there's the DEATH CERTIFICATES themselves:
The majority of people who died had significant comorbidities, such as Alzheimer’s, cancer, cardiovascular disease and diabetes.
Counting death certificates with a ‘mention’ of covid as being a death caused by covid is a gross misrepresentation of the facts and has vastly over exaggerated the death toll.
The rules for the signing of death certificates have been changed solely for "Covid" by the Coronavirus 2020 Act.
Doctors do not even need to have physically seen the patient in order to sign death certificates.
The Act has removed the need for a confirmatory medical certificate for cremations.
Autopsies have virtually been banned, no doubt leading to misdiagnosis of the true cause of deaths; and also reducing our understanding of the disease itself.
Worse still, care home staff who largely have no medical training are able to give a statement as to the cause of death.
"Covid" was put on death certificates merely on the ‘suspicion’ of people having "Covid." This may well be unlawful, since it is a crime to falsify death certificates.
People who die within 28 days of a positive PCR test are deemed to have died from "Covid", even if they die in a car crash or from a heart attack; clearly over inflating the death toll.
Allen, from the tenor of your post I am going to guess that you do NOT take care of critically ill patients, do NOT sign death certificates, and have NOT had patients under your care die from Covid. I do. I will not pick apart your post point by point, it would take too long and would be pearls before swine. But I will assure you, when I put down respiratory failure due to overwhelming viral pneumonia due to sars-cov-2 as the cause of death, that's what they died from. I will also assure you that you are dead wrong about the death certificate data overestimating the covid toll, just the opposite is true. It is very common that covid does not find its way onto the death certificate in someone who clearly died of the disease.
How many patients in your career have you listed cause of death as influenza a or b?
real info wrote:
Holy crap this is idiotic.
The linked publication is put out by JHU students. It's not a journal or something run by adults at all.
And the person being cited is "assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program." She has no medical background. Her PhD is in agricultural economics from Washington State. She's just one more idiot economist who thinks they know everything. She's not tenure-track faculty at Hopkins, she's a lecturer. Nothing wrong with that, but she's ridiculously unqualified to be making these kinds of statements about Covid-19.
How would you know?
seek ye the truth wrote:
drbop wrote:
Allen, from the tenor of your post I am going to guess that you do NOT take care of critically ill patients, do NOT sign death certificates, and have NOT had patients under your care die from Covid. I do. I will not pick apart your post point by point, it would take too long and would be pearls before swine. But I will assure you, when I put down respiratory failure due to overwhelming viral pneumonia due to sars-cov-2 as the cause of death, that's what they died from. I will also assure you that you are dead wrong about the death certificate data overestimating the covid toll, just the opposite is true. It is very common that covid does not find its way onto the death certificate in someone who clearly died of the disease.
How many patients in your career have you listed cause of death as influenza a or b?
About 20. I have not customarily distinguished between a and b on death certificates when I report influenza as the cause of death. I would also like to point out that the influenza death statistics you see widely reported each flu season are NOT collected from death certificates. Rather they are inferred using statistical methods measuring excess deaths in sample populations. If they relied on death certificate data, the reported flu deaths would be much lower.
L. Bean wrote:
real info wrote:
Holy crap this is idiotic.
The linked publication is put out by JHU students. It's not a journal or something run by adults at all.
And the person being cited is "assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program." She has no medical background. Her PhD is in agricultural economics from Washington State. She's just one more idiot economist who thinks they know everything. She's not tenure-track faculty at Hopkins, she's a lecturer. Nothing wrong with that, but she's ridiculously unqualified to be making these kinds of statements about Covid-19.
How would you know?
I do know that her claims have been repeatedly disproven using middle school level math so there is that.
Allen53 wrote:
Found here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20201126043553/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
Still just as fundamentally incorrect! Shown to be false several times in this thread.
This is all COVID deniers have left and it’s just sad.
drbop wrote:
seek ye the truth wrote:
How many patients in your career have you listed cause of death as influenza a or b?
About 20. I have not customarily distinguished between a and b on death certificates when I report influenza as the cause of death. I would also like to point out that the influenza death statistics you see widely reported each flu season are NOT collected from death certificates. Rather they are inferred using statistical methods measuring excess deaths in sample populations. If they relied on death certificate data, the reported flu deaths would be much lower.
Thanks for the first hand experience. I regret that it won’t be well received as LRC seems to allow these trolls to multiply and reinforce each other’s ignorance.
drbop wrote:
seek ye the truth wrote:
How many patients in your career have you listed cause of death as influenza a or b?
About 20. I have not customarily distinguished between a and b on death certificates when I report influenza as the cause of death. I would also like to point out that the influenza death statistics you see widely reported each flu season are NOT collected from death certificates. Rather they are inferred using statistical methods measuring excess deaths in sample populations. If they relied on death certificate data, the reported flu deaths would be much lower.
So you didn't check every sick patient in your ICU with a nasal swab for Influenza? Did you check ANY of them? In my career in critical care, we have checked almost zero for Influenza. Which is the standard. Explain to these nonmedical people here why. Thank you.
Harambe wrote:
drbop wrote:
About 20. I have not customarily distinguished between a and b on death certificates when I report influenza as the cause of death. I would also like to point out that the influenza death statistics you see widely reported each flu season are NOT collected from death certificates. Rather they are inferred using statistical methods measuring excess deaths in sample populations. If they relied on death certificate data, the reported flu deaths would be much lower.
Thanks for the first hand experience. I regret that it won’t be well received as LRC seems to allow these trolls to multiply and reinforce each other’s ignorance.
You applaud him because he shares your views, your tribe. Nothing more. Nothing less. You are not kidding anyone.
seek ye the truth wrote:
You applaud him because he shares your views, your tribe. Nothing more. Nothing less. You are not kidding anyone.
Sorry your dumb article was disproven...
You need to up your troll game that was pretty weak! A college student’s poor analysis. I expected more but then again division is hard to understand — isn’t it?
seek ye the truth wrote:
So you didn't check every sick patient in your ICU with a nasal swab for Influenza? Did you check ANY of them? In my career in critical care, we have checked almost zero for Influenza. Which is the standard. Explain to these nonmedical people here why. Thank you.
Ah, someone who doesn’t understand how flu deaths are calculated in the US. We covered this in April, and June, and now November I guess.
Cyclical low-IQ talking points. Round we go!
seek ye the truth wrote:
drbop wrote:
About 20. I have not customarily distinguished between a and b on death certificates when I report influenza as the cause of death. I would also like to point out that the influenza death statistics you see widely reported each flu season are NOT collected from death certificates. Rather they are inferred using statistical methods measuring excess deaths in sample populations. If they relied on death certificate data, the reported flu deaths would be much lower.
So you didn't check every sick patient in your ICU with a nasal swab for Influenza? Did you check ANY of them? In my career in critical care, we have checked almost zero for Influenza. Which is the standard. Explain to these nonmedical people here why. Thank you.
Early in flu season, we do a lot of swabs in people who are acutely febrile. Once it is established that we are in a local flu epidemic, in a person presenting with acute fever, profound lassitude, and body aches and pains who has developed shortness of breath and hypoxemia, with imaging typical of viral pneumonia, a flu test is not useful. Explaining this involves assessing pretest probability of having the disease and Bayes theorem. A more advanced explanation involves performance characteristics of the test and ROC curve development. Beyond the scope of this forum.
Allen53 wrote:
https://twitter.com/YardleyShooting/status/1331917586221719552
That might conceivably be the median age for Covid-19 death--though the last thing I saw put the median closer to seventy--but it certainly isn't the "average" (mean) age, unless something has changed dramatically.
However, I could be wrong. If you have a link to a source (not to a simple assertion) that supports 82.4 for either median *or* mean, I'll be grateful to be corrected and will publicly admit my error.
Otherwise, to quote someone else: That which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.
To compare analogies:
Heart disease = cancer
Covid = car accident
I’m thinking if a person with heart disease got Covid and died that they would have died from Covid because without Covid they would be alive.
You are suggesting that if someone with cancer died in a car accident that the cause of death is cancer.
seek ye the truth wrote:
drbop wrote:
About 20. I have not customarily distinguished between a and b on death certificates when I report influenza as the cause of death. I would also like to point out that the influenza death statistics you see widely reported each flu season are NOT collected from death certificates. Rather they are inferred using statistical methods measuring excess deaths in sample populations. If they relied on death certificate data, the reported flu deaths would be much lower.
So you didn't check every sick patient in your ICU with a nasal swab for Influenza? Did you check ANY of them? In my career in critical care, we have checked almost zero for Influenza. Which is the standard. Explain to these nonmedical people here why. Thank you.
From medical personnel in my family they've told me patients come in with the flu and then develop something like pneumonia or some other condition and are recorded as a pneumonia death. These are generally very elderly people. But at the end of the day the virus leads to some other condition that kills you. They say if we were testing all those people for the flu and recording them as flu deaths the flu death toll would be much closer to covid. With Covid they have said the trajectory is very similar where they develop something like pneumonia then die. Basically put you can debate the Covid death count but if we recorded and counted flu deaths the same way the number of flu deaths would be similar to Covid deaths. As is "recorded" flu deaths are 3-6k annually in the US.
not a dr but wrote:
From medical personnel in my family they've told me patients come in with the flu and then develop something like pneumonia or some other condition and are recorded as a pneumonia death. These are generally very elderly people. But at the end of the day the virus leads to some other condition that kills you. They say if we were testing all those people for the flu and recording them as flu deaths the flu death toll would be much closer to covid. With Covid they have said the trajectory is very similar where they develop something like pneumonia then die. Basically put you can debate the Covid death count but if we recorded and counted flu deaths the same way the number of flu deaths would be similar to Covid deaths. As is "recorded" flu deaths are 3-6k annually in the US.
This is misleading: the flu death numbers you see reported (60k per year etc) are estimated from positives and excess death modeling. See here:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/how-cdc-estimates.htmSo no, the flu numbers you see thrown around weren’t tests alone and COVID vastly outstrips flu deaths by any measurement.
Agree with Harambe and Ahead of the Curve...the fact that the age distribution of deaths didn't change isn't surprising or informative. As Harambe pointed out, the Covid death age distribution is similar to the overall death age distribution and hence won't shift the overall distribution much.
I'm curious though if anyone has seen any analysis that attempts to attribute the excess death estimates (200k or whatever it is) to Covid vs. other causes?
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