Yes please tell me how they choose to be irrelevant and poor compared to a millionaire performing in front of millions. I think given the choose most people would pick being the NFL.
Yes please tell me how they choose to be irrelevant and poor compared to a millionaire performing in front of millions. I think given the choose most people would pick being the NFL.
Devon Allen. Rashard Mendenhall. Pat Tillman. The list goes on and on. Nearly every world class sprinter is on the list.
Brooks Sucks wrote:
I saw the twitter feud going on concerning grant versus NFL players. This kid was getting blasted for saying "Grant isn't a world class athlete". In one sense I agree with the kid. Grant is a world class hurdler obviously, he is currently the best in the world. However, does this make him a world class athlete? To me a world class athlete would be someone like LeBron James. You could take Lebron James and move him to other sports, such as football or baseball, and he probably could learn to be good or even great at them. Could Grant move sports and still be great? Probably not. Being an athlete requires some hand eye coordination along with a great mind to be able to analyze sports that require decision making. Running doesn't require any decision making, knowledge of the game, or hand eye coordination. Running also doesn't present the opportunity to be a leader and lead a team to a victory when all adversity and a crowd is against them. Therefore, in my opinion runners can't be world class athletes. Don't get me wrong they can be the best in the world at what they do but I wouldn't consider them world class athletes. I only think there are a few world class athletes currently out there right now.
Grant was better than LBJ at football.
And is better at a measurable athletic stat than LBJ.
He’s a more world class athlete than LBJ.
How many people pursue football? wrote:
pumpking wrote:
Hurdling is niche. Like pole vault. I'm never impressed by the world leaders in niche sports. Bobsledding? Lol.
How many people dedicate themselves to niche sports, 100? Like 50-500 people? Usually with wealthy families that enable their pursuit of the niche sport.
Great. you're the best out of a few hundred people. Good job.
Football or basketball is mostly an American sport. You have people training in high school, though many just train for it during the season and they play other sports in the other times of year. Then a certain number of Americans go to NCAA and keep playing football, and then a certain number are able to go on to the NFL. Track and field is the same, I'll give you that they may have a little bit smaller number of people who go all-in during high school, but they have the same number that go all-in in college. But here's the kicker, the entire world has track and field clubs, you have entire countries in Africa where their most popular sport is running. Not many African football players. So to me, the depth in track and field is more than football. And what makes you think that Grant Holloway wouldn't be good at football? He's faster, taller, and possibly more athletic than Devin Allen who was a pretty high level NCAA receiver. I imagine Holloway would've had a chance to be better if he tried and possibly gone to NFL. There's no reason to think Lebron would be good at baseball, hitting a 95mph pitch is something specific and not all about athletic ability, most baseball players are slow and can't jump very high. But they have that niche ability to quickly hit a fast pitch with a bat. The true most challenging sport is probably soccer, since that's the most popular sport in more countries around the world, meaning a higher percentage of people in the world try to go all in for soccer.
Sorry, but baseball, boxing, and hockey are all more difficult.
https://sites.psu.edu/siowfa16/2016/10/18/is-hitting-a-baseball-the-hardest-thing-to-do-in-sports/trackislife12 wrote:
He was a national caliber football recruit and is dominant at long jump, high jump, 60, 400, and hurdles. To say he is not a world class athlete is absurd, he could shift to other sports and do quite well.
Exactly what I was going to say, I think he is World Class, and I also think if anyone thinks he is NOT World Class, they don't know what they are talking about.
Measure 26 feet 10 inches on the floor. Look at how far that is. Then say Grant isn't athletic.
Just adding more salt to the wound
Watch a football game and note what 10 yards is for 1st down. See the line 1 yard short of that? He can long jump that far.
Grant was not even close to as good as football as lebron. Lebron owns recruited by ND, Ohio State, etc. they stopped recruiting him because his coach told them he was going straight to the NBA and it was a waste of time. Also grant can only run fast in straight line. Also, tell me how jumping far helps you in any athletic competition? That is such a worthless skill in sports.
To be honest, if NFL players trained for sprinting I think some could be faster. Some like DK and hill are incredibly fast with pads. Imagine with a little training and reflex practice. They could probably be some of the best in the world.
CryBaby wrote:
Yes please tell me how they choose to be irrelevant and poor compared to a millionaire performing in front of millions. I think given the choose most people would pick being the NFL.
The average length of an NFL player's career is 3.3 years, and their median income is $860k. (And that 3.3 yrs includes kickers and QB who have more longevity than WR.) So the expected lifetime income of an average player is less than $3 million.
Besides, you won't have to worry about CTE as a hurdler.
pumpking wrote:
Hurdling is niche. Like pole vault. I'm never impressed by the world leaders in niche sports. Bobsledding? Lol.
How many people dedicate themselves to niche sports, 100? Like 50-500 people? Usually with wealthy families that enable their pursuit of the niche sport.
Great. you're the best out of a few hundred people. Good job.
In the scheme of things, American football is a niche sport...
If a guy with his accomplishments doesn’t meet your criteria for “world class”, then I don’t care to challenge your irreverent, irrelevant, and cherry picked criteria. I will find myself a nice glass of rye, however
The football player tweeting makes it sound like one of the fastest men in the world is not even in the same speed class as some of the fastest football players, lol. This perfectly symbolizes the disrespect that the world has for track and field and the disillusion that anyone "fast" could hop in and compete at the olympic level, lol. The reality is that Grant Holloway is one of the most athletic people in the sport of track and field, period. Fastest over objects, very fast without hurdles, elite long jumper, 400m runner, etc. He is clearly coordinated, as is shown with his many football scholarships and the fact that hurdling is not exactly for the unathletic. Also can we please dispel the notion that MJ was not a world class athlete? 48in vert, long jumped 23ft in 9th grade. He and LeBron are arguably two of the greatest athletes ever, but that also doesn't mean that to be world class one has to be in the conversation for greatest athlete ever. There is a difference between world-class athletes (which some elite track athletes are) and perhaps THE greatest athlete in the world. Sorry for jumping all over the place, lol
The old debate between an athlete and someone who is athletic. Went to school with the fastest kid in my state. Strong as hell, could run obviously, and could sky. He also played football which he sucked at. Never played. He played baseball and sucked at it. Played basketball for fun but was god awful.
My own personal opinion is he was athletic as hell but not an athlete at all. My some people use the words differently.
Holloway tho is a world class athlete. The problem is there are even better athletes than him in the NFL and NBA but they chose to make far more money and not run track.
You could take a group of the 20 best US athletes in pro sports and if you trained them in any singular discipline we would be the best in the world.
It’s unfair to say grant isn’t as good an athlete as LeBron, therefore he’s not a world class athlete. If you think lebron would have an easy job playing professionally in any other sport, you’re wrong. And this is coming from a guy who thinks LeBron is the goat. If we assign arbitrarily top 50 of any sports player at any given time as world class, I think LeBron would struggle to make that in anything other than basketball. He might have been able to do it in football if he took that route, but he didn’t. Grant is much younger and has lots of versatility and time to learn. I think he could compete in the NFL. Would he be top 50 in whatever position he plays? Who knows, but Grants speed is not a limiting factor. Put him on a team like the titans or the Vikings that have a potent rush offense and he could be a threat.
It's the truth when you talk about quickness, agility change of direction and explosiveness. Very few, (tyreek hill, Chris Johnson), can have legitimate track speed but still be able to stop and start on a dime. Holloway would get run by because it'd be to much stop and start. Now if he can just run in a straight line for 70 yards then yeah he wins that most of the time.
That's why the 40 yard dash times are so overrated. Straight line only speed is nothing.
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Measure 26 feet 10 inches on the floor. Look at how far that is. Then say Grant isn't athletic.
He also High Jumped over 7 feet at age 16, and his blazing legs on the 4 x 400 makes me think he could be a threat to the 400 Hurdles World Record.
CryBaby wrote:
Yes please tell me how they choose to be irrelevant and poor compared to a millionaire performing in front of millions. I think given the choose most people would pick being the NFL.
Not everyone would choose to have their brain cells knocked off every time they step on the field. Would they be happy doing something just for money? Money is obviously important and correlated to happiness, but up to a point.
Oh, and Grant is definitely a world-class athlete. The speed of Track sprinters is unrivalled off the track, no matter how many excuses you may try to find. Hell, you HAVE to be athletic to hurdle.
this troll nonsense is still going lol
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reke was a sprinter and is obsessed with speed, not to mention gifted. but with a body like that he'd have a very hard time getting a single legal sub10, I'd put his max potential at ~9.95 and he's a man among boys in the hpd (handegg play division)
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