How is Sweden doing with COVID-19 today?

chad bro not chill wrote:

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SWEDEN TODAY

This week reported 682 deaths. Highest 7 day moving average 97 at Dec 31. It seems as the number of deaths has peaked. Probably going down next week.

Infections now about half of highest 7 day moving average. And fewer at ICU, a good indication.

I think this will work:

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=swe&areas=dnk&areas=fin&areas=nor&areas=deu&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&areasRegional=usia&areasRegional=usca&areasRegional=usnd&areasRegional=ussd&cumulative=0&logScale=0&per100K=1&startDate=2020-03-01&values=deaths

A comparison of Sweden with nearby neighbors

SWEDEN THIS WEEK

Highest 7 day moving deaths 99 at Dec 31. The same as Apr 16 in the spring. Deaths this week 586 reported. It will take a long time before Sweden comes down to 50 and below.

The numbers of daily infected a sharp decline. From over 7000 five weeks ago to under 3000 now.

Norrland, the northern part of Sweden with 1.185 mill inhabitans 1218 deaths so far. No big cities and not very densely populated. So 1026 deaths/1M. Neighbor Finland 121. Finland has 5. 5 mill inhabitans and 671 Covid deaths.

Though, there are more people 65 + in Norrland that average.

But if one don't like these comparasions with Swedens neighbors. Then why not compare Norrland with the very, very, densely populated Netherlands 805 deaths/1M.

Sir,

Now you are just twisting the knife. Show the covidiots some mercy.

Sweden has now double the fatality count from the first wave in the Spring. Many blamed the high fatality total from the first wave on the failure to protect nursing home residents and problems with getting immigrants to follow voluntary distancing measures. But with all those lessons learned, the death toll from the fall/winter surge will end up being worse.

There has been definite improvement in infection levels, but infection levels are still very high. Denmark has done a much better job fighting off a big surge in cases. Norway has shut its borders to prevent the UK variant from surging. Finland has also banned UK travelers as the UK virus has been found.

The threat of the variants is very real. Infections have blown up in Portugal in January due to the UK variant. Any country, the US included, that allows a relatively high level of infection to persist through to the spring is going to see a spike due to the new variants. Vaccinations are not getting out fast enough to make a difference. Sweden needs to get its infections down much lower or it could quickly find the UK or other variant leading yet another massive surge.

For the love of wrote:

Lol. And even less substance from you and the rest of your peanut gallery. The thread is slowly dying because there is nothing out of the ordinary going on in Sweden other than your fear porn. Just like in the US.

Hey, but at least it looks like for your death cult the big influencers are on your side busy removing any information that may go counter to your false narrative.

YMMV wrote:

Sweden at it's peak lost (officially) 96 people a day at it's peak. They are now losing a third of that. Yet people here are carrying on like they are in some kind of existential crisis.

It's another viral season. It happens EVERY year at this time, for the lat two million years. Move on with your pathetic lives.

Big shoutout to the genius deniers on this thread - YMMV, Flipper, Allen, Unkle and the rest of you: enjoy your predictions. Numbers don't lie, no matter how you try to pivot, deflect and explain the numbers away. It's always enjoyable to have a group of people looking at a situation and it's data objectively, be framed as crazy, fear-mongers by the subjective subset of gullible cretins.

"nothing out of the ordinary" - just 7,000 excess deaths (8% inc) in Sweden for 2020 compared to the previous 9 years.

Agenda posting (As always) since you refuse to ad context.

You went out flying couple of weeks back that this peak would be higher than spring in Sweden.

Lets agree that haven't happened yet atleast? (it looks to end the same for now actually)

Isn't it the case for almost all countries in Europe that more people have died in the 2nd wave, more than twice as many is the norom, in quite a few instances it's even 5 times and 10 times as many deaths?

Sure, Denmark have managed to curb the virus better..

At some cost might I ad.

The unlawful mink slaughtering alone looks to have cost €3 billion.

And their relative deaths of spring vs fall/winter is of course even bigger than Sweden.

Sure from a much lower level.

Maybe weather should be mentioned, you know, just maybe that's sort of very different than spring?

You fail to mention that Sweden immediately closed their borders to Denmakr and Uk.

You fail to mention that Sweden even closed their borders to Norway when wild spread was discorvered there.

The exceptions have either been in borderline curfew mode for months, like France, that would be harsher restrictions than "lockdown" , or in the situatuion of Italy and Spain not as surprised by infections slowly building up. (But still not really managed better than Sweden)

Norway, that everyone likes to hail, do preemptive lockdowns to compensate for their lack of genomic sequencing.

Turns out the genomic sequencing in Norway was as ridiculous as in Sweden.

(They've stepped up now of course, but so have the swedes)

And hailing Norway, much of the country, included where I live, have lived under ridiculous restricitions for months not warranted by infection levels.

An example: My municipality have seen far less than 1 in 100 infected for the duration of the pandemic, less than 1 in 300 for the "2nd wave" and not a single one in 2021.

Yet, 2 weeks ago we couldn't have visitors.

Reasonable?

People that have quit organized sports are at ridiculous levels because for all practical purposes organized sports have been banned for most of 10 months.

Do you think that have any consequences on public health?

The biggest hospital in the west of the country have opened up a special psychiatric ward because kids are suffering from lockdown damages.

Measure of success?

I've said repeatedly that Sweden is not best practice in this pandemic.

Demonization is just as stupid.

Sure, more deaths than their neighbors, but they've managed to keep society open more too.

Stricter measures in neighboring countries comes at a cost even if some lifes are saved.

Just stop it with the agenda posting.

Sweden is now coming down in deaths and infected . Will probably reach a low level to the summer.

KaareV wrote:

SWEDEN THIS WEEK

Highest 7 day moving deaths 99 at Dec 31. The same as Apr 16 in the spring. Deaths this week 586 reported. It will take a long time before Sweden comes down to 50 and below.

The numbers of daily infected a sharp decline. From over 7000 five weeks ago to under 3000 now.

Norrland, the northern part of Sweden with 1.185 mill inhabitans 1218 deaths so far. No big cities and not very densely populated. So 1026 deaths/1M. Neighbor Finland 121. Finland has 5. 5 mill inhabitans and 671 Covid deaths.

Though, there are more people 65 + in Norrland that average.

But if one don't like these comparasions with Swedens neighbors. Then why not compare Norrland with the very, very, densely populated Netherlands 805 deaths/1M.

Yes, we know Sweden have 3 to 10 x the number of their neigbors.. (It used to be 5 to 10 x as many)

And congratiolations in finding a rural region with higher per capita death than the national average.

What about Värmland?

Western part of Sweden.

157 dead and popualtion of 318000

Less than half (closer to 40%) the per capita deaths of Norrland with much the same demographic.

Much more boring, I know.

You're still sure you don't have an agenda of looking Sweden look as bad as you can?

/Yawn

the gullible, selfish and scared right wrote:

Big shoutout to the genius deniers on this thread - YMMV, Flipper, Allen, Unkle and the rest of you: enjoy your predictions. Numbers don't lie, no matter how you try to pivot, deflect and explain the numbers away. It's always enjoyable to have a group of people looking at a situation and it's data objectively, be framed as crazy, fear-mongers by the subjective subset of gullible cretins.

"nothing out of the ordinary" - just 7,000 excess deaths (8% inc) in Sweden for 2020 compared to the previous 9 years.

They've run out of excuses so all you'll here now is 'the numbers are faked.'

Never once will the deniers stop to consider that... they could be wrong.

Dr Mabuse wrote:

Sweden is now coming down in deaths and infected . Will probably reach a low level to the summer.

Haha.

Believe you me Doc, I am very updated on the situation in Sweden.

I am not willing to predict anything due to unpredicatable situation with muatated strains, it might spiral out of countrol there as many places, and when it spirals it goes quickly as seen in UK, Portugal and Ireland.

BUT, the situation have improved for more than 4 weeks. (only 3 weeks for ICU cpacity and little over 2 weeks for number of dead)

I hope you are right.

At least they are vaccinating more than their hailed counter parts in Norway.

Not very surprised no one bothers to mention that.

Harambe wrote:

Never once will the deniers stop to consider that... they could be wrong.

That's true.

You won't hear the doom mongerers admitting to overhyping the situation either though..

Ahh, here we go again. A rethorical, again about my "hidden agenda", though it is Swedern we are discussing, question which I am not going to answer. I have kept out of polemics with you, more or less. I think Norrland is an illustration, and sure there are large regional differences even within Norrland. Why Norrland.? Many of the explanations, ex: professor Jonas Ludvigsson, with his three hypothesis why Sweden is doing so much worse than the neighbors: The Stockholm- , the immigration - and the Alp - hypothesis, don't tell why the high north is doing to badly. But perhaps you are able to explain it? I would like to get a sober analysis. I even mentioned the 65+.

And the region of Värmland - 486/1M. Next to the Norwegian border, close to five times as high as Norways. And, one can compare Värmland to the densely populated Denmark, including Copenhagen 359. Though again, more 65+ even in Värmland.

3-10 higher in Sweden?: 3,2 when it comes to Denmark, 9,5 Finland and 11 when it comes to Norway. And then the lag of reporting in Sweden. Sure one can make other comparations; Portugal with the approx same popultaion as Sweden has 1168 now , more than Sweden.s 1144. Portugal 7 day moving 281 which is rising. But I don't think it is interesting in this context. Well, about context. I regard my "reports" as quite nutreal conserning deaths and infections.

And since you congratulated me finding this Norrland case, I would like to mention that is has not attracted much attention in media.

And famous Swedes from Värmland, first and foremost the Nobel Prize winner in litterature Selma Lagerlöf and the singer Zarah Leander. And let's not forget the Olympic Gold medalists Stefan Holm and Thomas Wasseberg. And soon World Cup cross country sking in Falun. Yesterday my favorite Jessie Diggins , US, won 10 K. She ought to get far more attention over there.

You bet Kaare.

When you (or Precious) CHERRY PICK data to make the situation in Sweden sound more dramatic than it actually is, I will call you out.

Why?

Because it reeks of agenda posting.

Precious is obviously worse than you, but what you're doing with Norrland is the same thing only more disguised.

Heck, you bring in Portugal, originally far below Sweden in deaths per million, now ahead, with a current death rate at almost 3 times the swedish level, yet according to you it isn't "interesting in this context"

I am not surprised that anything showing the situation in Sweden not to be dramatic compared to countries that are truely hard hit isn't interesting in any context you approve of.

You systematically do not mention what Sweden do better than their neighbors, or what their neighbors do worse if you will.

What you like to focus on is what makes Sweden worse than other countries.

Why don't you mention that Germany is also a neighbor?

Or Poland?

The reasoning being Germany is not "Scandinavian" I suppose, and Poland is eastern european, so you can't compare to them...

At any rate I am sure it's got nothing to do with their handling of the 2nd wave being similar (or even worse in the case of Poland...

No worries Kaare. I started by calling out the deniers in this thread and will continue to do so if anyone find their way back into this thread, because they have even more of an agenda and even less perspective than you and Precious.

Yet, similarly I will also call out any posters that notoriously and systematically cherry pick data and refuse to point out the other side of the story with the sole purpose of making the situation in Sweden sound more dramatic than it is.

Good on you for mentioning swedes from Värmland.

You're an amazingly knowledgable person.

You regard yourself as the man in the middle, Budda, since you also have called out the deniers? But you have strong views, Budda. If I am not wrong you stated some weeks ago that Sweden has done fine, even if the other Nordic countries have lost less lives. And that your opinion is that the one does'nt exclude the other. You see, it is just here that our opinions differ.

I actually can not see that I do cherry picking, even if I do not present, let's say, the Tegnellian point of view. The other side of the hill; if I should have portrayed it it would be negative.

You yourself do not present the arguments for "the lock down" where you live at the West Coast. But you are not cherry picking? You wrote about what they do at Haukeland hospital regarding psychological problems for the younger persons due to Covid-19. But the respons from Haukeland was'nt just about Covid-19. And you don't mention what the Norwegian government has said about the psycological effects of "the lock down". As I have said earlier, we do'nt know, not you nor I, whether the youth in Sweden has come better out than in Norway. It is just guesswork for the time being.

The Swedes have had some more freedom, may be the most precious value (in my opinion) in normal times. And I even strongly disagree with you when it comes to "human rights". The reduction of our freedoms in this time of crises is not a reduction of Human Rights. Since you have not elaborated what you mean by human rights I will stand by what I write. But if you have another definition....

May be I should have stated my views on how slow the vaccination process is going on in Norway. I have used other foras ( Facebook) to do just that. (more readers too:) ). But that is a minor thing in this context. I have a lot of objections BTW. But they are not in the magnitude of my objections to the Swedish Strategy.

Yes, why not Germany and Poland since I mentioned Netherlands? Well, I don't know much about the response in Poland. But Germany, also a worldwide "role model" in the first wave, reacted to slow in the second wave, just as the Swedes did. Even when Germany went for a hard lockdown in December, the German population did not follow "the orders". The Swedes did. When the German freedomloving philosopher Peter Sloterdijk said that it is time for the German authorities to take the slikgloves off it made no impact.

I'll answer your question on Portugal when you have answered mine on Norrland. I think it was relevant and that it tells a lot about what has gone on in Sweden. Actually, I can't see that it qualifies as cherry picking.

I most definately cherry picked Kaare.

Quite deliberately so.

Not in the way you cherry pick, but sure.

Let me explain:

I entered this thread cherry picking numbers that was worse than Lead Foil's on Sweden's death toll, yet even my cherry picked numbers were too low at the time and I knew it and said so.

That was the whole point:

My cherry picked numbers presented a warped picture of Sweden that was more accurate than his!

By the same token, I cherry picked Värmland too obviously, because it shows that by cherry picking you can tell the story you want.

But, importantly, also: Because Värmland is MORE TYPICAL for rural Sweden than the numbers you present from the very big "land" of Norrland!

I could pick quite a few rural läns including ones in Norrland that tells the same story as Värmland.

Västerbotten for instance. Or what about another non-Norrland one: Dalarna.

Most of the rural läns tell a story closer to Värmland, as to be fair you would expect them to, since Stockholm have 1/3 of all deaths in Sweden and Götaland and Skåne are obviously high too.

So yes Kåre, You are very much guilty of cherry picking AND it reeks of an agenda.

I mentioned visitation rights in my municipality just to give an example of crazy rules in Norway Kåre. You know, to give just 1 example of the flip side of those low death numbers.

It's very much a part of the story when hailing the situation here.

Stricter rules at the time than in Sweden, with only a fraction of the infection rate of theirs.

And WHY was that again?

Because FHI WRONGLY reached the conclusion that infection rate in Norway was going bananas!

Turns out they had messed up registering positive tests and somehow reached the conclusion 6,5% of tests were positive.

The real number was in fact less than half, and because of christmas you should have expected that number to rise anyways as people would predictably be less inclined to get tested, so those who actually took tests would more likely test positive. No brains needed. From the drop in tests taken one could deduce that.

The norwegian government acted with panic of course.

At the cost of the liberties on all of us.

Panic was also the reaction when detecting wild spread of the Britain variant.

This preemptive lockdown was only "neccecary" (obviously very debateable) because we've been just as bad as Sweden with genomic sequencing..

About 3 weeks ago 2-300 done out of more than 50000 cases according to NRK in Dagsnytt 18. FHI deflected to the best of their ability of course, saying since we did genomic sequencing at all we were actually amongst the best, and for december and january it was more like 500 each month, failing to mention they only started testing those tests after the detection of the Britain strain in Nordre Follo)

Reason for mentioning these things are not cherry picking.

It is to show that Norway keep acting in panic that restricts the freedom and ability to work for a huge segment of the population based on flawed information and that the flawed information is often their own fault.

Acting in panic in March? Fine.

Now? No!

I am sure it's saved some lifes, so it's all good I suppose...

By the way, the situation in my municipality is actually quite typical as far as rural municipalities in Norway are concerned.

Most municipalities in Norway are rural as you know, and significantly below the already low national infection rate average.

If you study the numbers on VG, you'll find that more than 1/3 of municipalities in Norway have ZERO infections last 14 days.

I am sure quite a few of those, probably most even, have even seen no infections in 2021.

Feel free to go through them all.

Point is: That wasn¨t cherry picking, but rather a quite typical example of national policy not fitting local conditions.

You see Kåre, If I really wanted to cherry pick I would have picked as an example any of the 16 (if I counted correctly) municipalities in Norway that have yet to register a single positive case for the duration of the pandemic...

Bottom line:

When you systematically only mention negatives when comparing Sweden with other countries, it reeks agenda.

There's just no other way too put it!

Why don't you justify why we shouldn't compare them to all their neighbors, not just the 2 scandinavian ones and Finland.

I realize Sweden are not eastern european, but to be fair there are a few neighbors of Sweden, even among the eastern european ones that are doing quite well in terms of deaths. Far better than almost all of Western Europe.

Why don't you do an update on those lists you like?

You know, those lists you made only because I said Sweden were doing fine (and I'd argue that showed Sweden to do fine)

Deaths per capita in Western Europe total and for 2nw wave for instance?

Peak adjusted 7 day moving average you are so fond of?

Are those numbers worse than their nordic neighbors? obviously!

Are Sweden's number anything special in European context? No!

For the duration of the pandemic they are bang average! (12 out of 30 or something depending on how you want to count.

That's including a spring were they were very high on the list because they practiced (pretty much) voluntary mitigation efforts only contrary to everyone else!

2nd wave only: Are they not in fact amongst the better performing countries as far as deaths are concerned? I haven't studied the numbers, but I very much suspect so.

Of all not microscopic EU/EEA countries, what are they in 2nd wave? 7? 8? 9?

Out of what? close to 30 nations? (depending if you count UK+Switzerland+Iceland)

Keep in mind, almost all countries doing better are either smaller or small island nations..

Where are they on peak deaths 7 day moving average that you like?

I have no interest in hiding the bad, but also not hiding the good, so sure, if not a man in the middle, I think I have a more balanced and nuanced view of things than you.

By the way:

No, we don't know yet that Sweden kids have done better on kids.

What we do know is that FHM have been more cautious of considering the impact of kids than the norwegian government as that have very much been the justification for not closing schools and stopping organized sports when Norway have done so.. (The norwegian government have done it contrary to the advice of FHI)

Human rights:

Hard for me to say if I have different view on human rights than you haven since you haven't defined what you mean by human rights.

UN have it pretty much defined in a number of articles in their Human Rights declaration.

Feel free to argue many of those have not been violated during the pandemic.

I really can't be bothered to engage you on the topic.

Look Kåre:

I completely understand the original need to adjust the warped reality the Trumpster deniers tried to present in this thread.

To be fair, that wasmy original motive for entering the thread.

Newsflash: The deniers are pretty much gone!

Harambe have posted a link that very nicely lets anyone interested in Sweden compare how they are doing relative to their neighbors (or you can switch out countries and compare with anyone)

I don't expect you, Precious, Trashcan, 2600 or Harambe to actually agree with me that Sweden are doing fine.

No problem. Go ahead! All good and whatever!

I, and everyone else with half a brain see that their deaths compared to their nordic neighbors are higher. We've known all along.

But when highlighting only the bad, without context, without also mentioning the good, I will call you out as an agenda poster! (If I bother. I probably will.)

I really don't care if it annoys you.

PS! If you read again you'll find that I didn't ask you anything about Portugal, so really no need to tell me anything, but not surprised if you do anyways.

You may call me whatever you like, Budda. It does'nt annoy me at all. It never has It has been more or less my pleasure to point out your Ad Hominem Fallacies. II have not counted how many times you say that what I have written about Norrland "reeks of agenda":

"..., but what you are doing with Norrland reeks of agenda posting".

This Sunday evening I will just comment on NORRLAND and your cherry picking consept.

When I made the Norrland- illustration (the northern part of Sweden), it has nothing to do with cherry picking, it was for the sole purpose of telling that Sweden is hit hard all over. But the Nortrland-case has never been properly analyzed. I did not surpress evidence that might have contradicted it, because there is no such evidence. But it is worth highlighting.

Your Värmland example. well, it tells about region Värmland. In every country you have thdeath toll, but with big regional differences. But people who read this know that. Though, you have to get your numbers straight (Haha, I ought to as well because I underestimated the Värmland).

Budda, you write that Värmland is MORE TYPICAL for rural Sweden (I never mentioned rural Sweden) than the numbers I present, which is 1026 deaths/1M for Norrland. I am not sure what your point is other than that it reeks of agenda posting. It is under the total for Sweden 1144/1M.

And when you write that you could pick a few rural läns, including the ones in Norrland ,that tells the same story as Värmland. Actually you can pick one in Norrland, and you do, Västerbotten (420/1M, lowest in Sweden - Denmark 366). According to FHM, Public Health Agency of Sweden). But it is one of the ones in Norrland. It is THE one. The two others rurals in Norrbotten - 760 and 750. And that is extremely higher than Värmlands 550,

And you go on and ask rethorically (again):

"Or what about another non-Norrland one: Dalarna?"

Well, Dalarna has 1030/1M, higher than the whole of Norrbotten. You see this time I have looked into your cards. Värmland is NOT TYPICAL for rural SWEDEN with its 550. This time you might? find counties with such numbers. No, that would be to obvious. Your attack om my Norrland illustration or story reeks of? Agenda?

Not even one län of the 21 in Sweden has under 420 (Västernorrland) and only two 550 ( Värmland og Blekinge) I could have written that and not about Norrland and that would reek of agenda, too. We others have agendas and you not? Give me a break.

Haha Kåre!

I think this is probably my favorite post of your so far!

An impressive feat of not admitting to basic implications of what you've written and obviously dodging the issue of you SYSTEMSATICALLY comparing stats from Sweden in an unfavorable light!

I can only applaude the effort, but unfortunately I'm not in a mood to let it go unanswered.

Where to start?

I think I'll start with "I never mentioned rural Sweden" as it's kind of fundamental for our current discussion!

Haha Kaare. That's true. You did not technically write rural!

What you did was take an by and large EXTREMELY RURAL part of Sweden, (and you knew this of course as you made a point to write no big cities and not very densely populated), compared it to one of their nordic neighbors (EXTREMELY OLD NEWS for anyone reading this thread as you've been comparing with those throughout), and THEN, comparing them with Netherlands, which you made sure to say are densely populated...

For someone not mentioning rural you sure picked a strange region.. (not an administrative region, more like the arbitrary "Nord-Norge" In Norway) and compared how they did to a densely populated country..

What on earth is interesting with Norrland Kaare?,

After all, why bring it up when it covers almost half the land mass in Sweden, is similar to the national average in deaths/million, heavily skewed by it's most populous, yet rural region of Gävleborg, if the point is not in fact that this rural region is seemingly doing horrible since they have almost similar death numbers to the Swedish average?

Other wise the same stuff you said about Norrland, applies for the rest of Sweden, both in relation to Finland and Netherlands...

Wouldn't it be more telling of the situation in Sweden to use Sweden?

By prentending that Norrland is typical of rural Sweden, aren't you forgetting

Värmland, Gotland, Västerbotten, Kalmar, and Jämtland are largely rural areas too?

Isn't it true that something like 7 of the 8 most rural Läns in are below the national average?

In some situations only a little.. (Like Dalarna, my bad, I went to some local Dalarna newspaper and musthave seen old numbers)

In some cases, Like Värmland and Västerbotten under half the swedish average?

That average would put them in the elite division in Europe Kåre!

Everyone can't be Denmark, Norway and Finland!

Given their spring wave, Sweden will bar some frightening scenarios always be comfortably above their neighbors for perpetuity!

Hard hit is relative Kåre..

If we're honest, there are quite a few regions that are not really that hard hit.

There certainly are HUGE differences between the 25 different "läns" in Sweden.

From almost Italy numbers in Stockholm, to slightly over Denmark numbers in Västerbotten and the whole range in between..

THAT's the truth. You know it, I know it.

And anyone that want to look up the numbers can see it for themselves..

(Socialstyrelsen.se)

760 and 750 is indeed significantly more than 550..

BUT, to be fair, I think you need to check your estimate for Värmland YET again Kaare...

I mean, I'm not sure of death numbers broken down to läns last week, could be havoc going on in a nursing homes there, but as per january 25th the situation is more like 452 per million for Värmland according to the offical source for FHMs number, Socialstyrelsen.)

When have I claimed Värmland representative for rural Sweden Kaare?

Isn't it true that I brought up Värmland in the context of cherry picking, only cherry picking that is MORE REPRESENTATIVE than the cherry picking I was arguing against?

To judge if Värmland is a more accurate represtentation of rural Sweden than an "artificially"skweded number in Norrland, shouldn't we ad a couple of other largely rural areas too?

I mean, Sweden is largely rural and these are more rural than the Swedish average in populaton density and have lots of farms, you know, in the range of the largely rural state of Oklahoma or less.. (for perspective)

Gotland? 546

Kalmar? 683

Aren't these numbers closer to Värmland than your sensionalistic numbers for Norrland?

Aren't these numbers quite different from the swedish average, just as Värmland, Västerbotten?

Isn't it true Kaare, that the "realistic picture" you've painted of a region that is not "very densely populated" and with "few big cities" is in fact VERY skewed by 1 län (Gävleborg)?

As I said already in PREVIOUS post: Sure, I deliberately cherry picked Värmland.

Again, that was the whole point and I can repeat: To show you that by cherry picking you can paint any picture you want, but atleast I know that I do it, and still my cherry picking was more realistic than what picture you tried to paint--> A grim picture of what the situation in rural Sweden is like.

This constant highlighting of anything you can find that makes Sweden look bad is just old Kaare.

I realize it's boring when you haven an agenda, but Harambe's graph actually do tell most of what anyone needs to know in terms of deaths...

Put Sweden in context Kåre.. The FULL Context..

I encourage you again, if you are as you claim not biased:

Post those deaths/million tables again.. For the full pandemic AND for the 2nd wave!

And those adjusted 7 day moving average of dead numbers that you like som much, PLEASE post a table of those too!

What you are doing is a bit like ridiculing the average, yet academically improved kid in class.

A kid that's doing better than almost anyone on extracurricullar activities I might ad, and you could even argue the main reason he is average is because he did those extracurricullar activities.

Sure, this kid have nerd siblings, arugeably worse on the extracurriuclar stuff too I might ad, but the bottom line is that the kid aren't really doing bad at all. At least not anymore.

That's the kid you are focusing on Kåre. Failing to bully the ones that are doing worse, even if most if not all of them are even worse on the extracurricullar stuff too...

On agendas:

I've been critical of Sweden probably more times in this thread than anyone but you and possibly Precious, Kåre.

Mostly Tegnell.

First time I mentioned his name was in one of my first posts, and if I remember correctly I called him "notoriously optimistic" or something like that.

I've used worse characterizations of him since.

I've also pointed to very critical documentaries and reports on the Swedish situation for anyone that wants a realistic take on the situation, more than once even.

I've labelled the swedish response "reactive" (to be fair improved now, but still reactive)

Some weeks before christmas I painted a pretty somber and dark picture of the situaton at the time. (I seem to remember you mostly concurred with my situation report)

Enlighten me on my agenda Kaare?

Let's have it?

And the Ad hominem's straw man up my **** Kaare.

As you know, just because something technically is an ad hominem, it doesn't mean it's false, sometimes it's just true.

What else have I labelled you than different descriptions of agenda poster for quite some time Kaare?

I'd argue I have very much backed up that claim.

You have not been able to show otherwise...

PS! I've only called out you and Precious as agenda posters on that side of the debate...

At least recently.

I have absolutely no issue with 2600, Harambe and Trashcan.

They don't seem to have an agenda.

Don't make that "we" into a huge group, you're not...