Scientivic studies show --> wearing a mask does not protect you

Smorbun wrote:

You non-medical people need to stop commenting on medical stuff.

The guy in the video is a licensed medical doctor, so that throws your argument out the window.

Virus particles are much, much smaller than saliva or mucous droplets. Virus particles can be suspended in the air for a period of time. An enclosed space that is busy with hundreds of customers won't allow a mask to block "95%" of the "viral load".

BS. COVID is spread most easily with virus that is in droplets that are flung out with a sneeze or a cough.

Masks work well at what they are designed to do, which is stop spittle and drool from entering a surgical patient's open chest cavity during a heart transplant, and stopping blood spatter from entering the surgeon's mouth.

Beyond that, they are pointless symbols people use to show they are virtuous, caring citizens. They don't stop aerosols at all, which we now understand are the primary drivers of infection.

facts and reason wrote:

Smorbun wrote:

You non-medical people need to stop commenting on medical stuff.

The guy in the video is a licensed medical doctor, so that throws your argument out the window.

Virus particles are much, much smaller than saliva or mucous droplets. Virus particles can be suspended in the air for a period of time. An enclosed space that is busy with hundreds of customers won't allow a mask to block "95%" of the "viral load".

Do you think viral particles are magically ejected 'dry' from URT mucous? No, they are in droplets, like everything else from your URT. You're operating from false assumptions -- sorry.

Thank you expert of all things medical. So let's see. So far I have seen no one out of many thousands that have sneezed or coughed while wearing a mask. Not outside not inside not in a store not at work not at a restaurant. In the instance someone is prone to coughing or sneezing would it not be prudent to have them stay at home? In the instance someone coughs or sneezes outside would it not be prudent to mandate them to sneeze into their sleeve or to make them carry a covering to put over their mouth when they are about to sneeze? Why does the mask have to cover your nose? Do people carry spittle inside their noses that jets out 200 feet when they sneeze? Why do I need to wear a mask if I have not coughed in years and don't even remember when I sneezed in public? Why do I need do wear a mask when I know I can control when and where I sneeze?

Most glaring in my opinion is the fact that the CDC has largely ignored the threat of the opioid pandemic, addiction being a disease and falling under their purview, especially when one considers the level of responsibility perpetuating this scourge attributable to BiG Pharma. I guess this isn’t politically serviceable.

When you were a little kid and your parents bought you a gaming console and told you to go play then went off and did what they wanted to do, they were in essence neutralizing you. Every thirty minutes or so your mother would ask your father are the kids okay, whereupon he would leave and then return and say they are good, still playing their video games. Every thirty minutes or so bill gates asks zuckerburg are the kids okay, to which he responds they are still playing their video games (arguing over the efficacy of masks)

Harambe wrote:

Do you think viral particles are magically ejected 'dry' from URT mucous?

You are creating a strawman fallacy.

Nobody said that viruses fly out of your nose while "dry".

There's a difference between "droplets" and "vapor". When you boil water for tea or coffee, you can see water evaporating.

Virus particles are smaller than bacteria. A mask will not stop them.

Fauci in that interview says, "It's not providing the perfect protection that people think it is."

No, and few people think it provides perfect protection. But masks radically reduce infections and the quantity of virus communicated, which seems to reduce the severity of illness. They have been an integral part of every successful country and region. Some people will still get infected. A lot fewer will get infected. Just look at Tokyo. Huge crowds on the subways. Masks everywhere. Very, very few infections and deaths. Same goes for Taiwan, South Korea, Japan as a whole, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, and the list goes on.

If you don't believe a face mask - basically operating as a barrier to some degree for respiration - reduced the rate of transmission of a respiratory virus, then:

1. You don't understand and/or don't believe fundamental and basic laws of physics (gravity, mass, fluid flow, simple aerodynamics), or

2. You don't believe respiratory viruses exist (or you don't believe coronavirus is a respiratory virus) and that what most people believe is a virus spread via respiration is actually spread by some other means (sex, intravenously, ingestion of shared water or food sources, or supernaturally).

How effective a particular mask can be with a particular virus can be studied and quantified/qualified (and it may have little effectiveness), but if you don't believe in the basic facts and fundamentals above, there seems to be no point.

zxcvxzcv wrote:

But masks radically reduce infections and the quantity of virus communicated

What Sweden with lots of people not wearing masks?

Mondo Hondo wrote:

If you don't believe a face mask - basically operating as a barrier to some degree for respiration - reduced the rate of transmission of a respiratory virus, then:

1. You don't understand and/or don't believe fundamental and basic laws of physics (gravity, mass, fluid flow, simple aerodynamics), or

2. You don't believe respiratory viruses exist (or you don't believe coronavirus is a respiratory virus) and that what most people believe is a virus spread via respiration is actually spread by some other means (sex, intravenously, ingestion of shared water or food sources, or supernaturally).

How effective a particular mask can be with a particular virus can be studied and quantified/qualified (and it may have little effectiveness), but if you don't believe in the basic facts and fundamentals above, there seems to be no point.

I think you may be the one who does not understand physics. The data says the mask are not doing anything. Funny thing is the all new masks have a warning on them that they do not protect from COvid-19. Clearly the manufacturers are aware of the fallacy and have protected themselves from any liability.

That said, we all stupidly wear them anyway, even though we should not.

I understand physics fine. I don't think you do, or you would have disputed what I said (mask is a barrier reducing flow) instead of going off on a tangent.

I've seen studies showing a range of efficacy of masks in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses. Some degree of efficacy would be consistent with basic common sense and the laws of physics. You know that.

If the label claim is true, I would not read much into a manufacturer label warning, for reasons that should be obvious to you. In fact, they are obvious to you ("protected themselves from any liability").

Every hospital in the world provides masks to health care workers to protected them from respiratory viruses. According to you, they are all operating based on a fallacy. Do you know how demented that sounds?

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

I think you may be the one who does not understand physics.

Harambe wrote:

Do you think viral particles are magically ejected

Since the covid19 virus has never isolated from contaminated material and therefore never been proven to exist, and since there is no valid test for a covid19 virus ---- No, I do not.

Changing the direction of the flow does not change the volume rate of flow and dispersion into the air. You don't understand physics beyond saying the word physics because you think it makes you sound smart. In face to face situations in the hospitals masks are important in preventing the direct ejection of materials, gobs of saliva etc, from one persons mouth to another. In a public setting they are not preventing the dispersion of virus into the general air. For this to actually happen the system would need to be better closed and would create serious positive and negative pressure changes with breathing...which over long periods or during any exertion can be extremely damaging to the lungs. The masks the public is currently wearing do not create these dangerous pressure differentials and hence they are not reducing the flow of anything in or out. If you are already social distancing then you do not need to worry about people directly ejecting spit into your mouth and the diversion of air flow is not changing your exposure level at all. Maybe you might see a 2x reduction with some mask, but you really need orders of magnitude differentials to actually reduce viral loads. Even with the concern of direct spit transfer, people would have to be really really close for long periods; the large droplets you are actually protecting from fall to the ground much faster, tenths of a second, compared to the fine droplets that get aerosolized and float around, the masks are not protecting you from these fine dispersions. Please to claim physics because you think people won't question what you say, particularly when your understanding of physics is that apples fall to the ground...remember the ground and the apple fall towards each other simultaneously.

facts and reason wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

I think you may be the one who does not understand physics.

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2020/05/covid19_masks.jpg

Sure but masks aren't largely for protection from covid19. They are to prevent you from spreading the disease. Are you intentionally misunderstanding this point or are you just slow?

facts and reason wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Do you think viral particles are magically ejected 'dry' from URT mucous?

You are creating a strawman fallacy.

Nobody said that viruses fly out of your nose while "dry".

There's a difference between "droplets" and "vapor". When you boil water for tea or coffee, you can see water evaporating.

Virus particles are smaller than bacteria. A mask will not stop them.

I understand the size of a virion. However they are transmitted on liquid droplets. There are no gas-phase SARS-CoV-2 particles -- that's a physical impossibility.

facts and reason wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

I think you may be the one who does not understand physics.

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2020/05/covid19_masks.jpg

This is serious boomer Facebook crap. I've lost all respect for your "facts" or "reason"

adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:

facts and reason wrote:

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2020/05/covid19_masks.jpg

Sure but masks aren't largely for protection from covid19. They are to prevent you from spreading the disease. Are you intentionally misunderstanding this point or are you just slow?

No, they are designed to prevent spit from being ejected towards others at close range; both protecting you and the other person in your face, like a doctor looking in your eyes or your open chest cavity during surgery. You can't seem understand that the volume flow of gas is not being slowed and the bulk of the fine droplets are just going out around the sides of the mask; did you even watch the doctor's visual above....it is an obvious fact that should not even be debated. Yes you are blocking large spit droplets, but those droplets are not getting to others unless you are right in their face. If you are going to be in people's faces all day, then sure....it might help a very tiny bit by keeping you from spitting into people's mouths, but you are still dispersing into the air virtually the same volume of fine virus carrying droplets with or without the mask. The miniscule differential is not going to affect the viral load you expunge into the air at all.

zxcvxzcv wrote:

Masks have been an integral part of every successful country.

Just...wildly inaccurate. New Zealand and all the Scandinavian countries have not mandated masks, and only even advise them in a few very specific circumstances. People in those countries rarely wear them, and they are doing just fine.

As I look around, masks seem to be doing very little to control spread in the US and most of Europe.