Sweden wow do very good

In stockholm now. It's great! Feels almost completely normal and I can almost forget there's a pandemic.

And the lie that oh Sweden just social distance themselves more on their own that's why it worked. Nope. They're the same as so many other countries. Maybe it's just true that they've reached some herd immunity at this point.

Media just looks at numbers and then picks a narrative to suppord it. "Oh it must be because swedes actually social distanced on their own" was the line. Nope not true.

However I will say stockholm is a much less crowded european city than most. That might have helped.

Exactly. Find with me.

And actually Denmark had only a brief initial lockdown then after was almost normal life. People were praising then for their strictness the whole time though. Oh they must be abiding a new surge unlike their neighbors because they are so good about social distancing blablabla. Then you go on metro every day and is packed with no masks lol.

I think they require them now but that's only a recent addition

wow so good job wrote:

Even the NYTimes admits that Sweden's doing awesome.

They had a bunch of nursing home deaths early on (sound familiar?) and now have basically none and the among the lowest growth rate of cases in Europe, and basically the same death rate as rule-strangled USA.

GO SWEDEN!

Basically the same death rate as rule-strangled USA means 10th place for the US and 14th in Sweden for the most death per 1 Million people.

Not sure if that is such a great success.

cxzvxzcv wrote:

If masks were so ineffective, how did they prevent Japan from getting almost anything even as millions continued to ride crowded subways in Tokyo? If they were so ineffective, why did seasonal flu drop 99% in the Southern Hemisphere in their winter this year?

Exactly case closed! Just compare Japan to the US

Surgeons wear masks to stop breathing out infected bacteria and viruses. Face Shields are much more effective for stopping splatter to the face

The reason surgeons wear masks is because they're creating a sterile environment.

Just like the reason you should wear a mask in any crowded indoor environment is because respiratory viruses are easily transmitted and crowded indoor places. And this virus is a lot more deadly than any other prevalent respiratory viruses in the last hundred years

Again the ignorance on this thread is just fascinating

Bottom line Society works a lot better when you have some safeguards

Seat belts, wearing masks during a pandemic, safety around electricity oil heating, just basic Public Safety is vital

Anyway nudity is not a threat but for some reason we have laws against nudity because people often confuse what's the real threats to them are

So actually in the United States you are not allowed to go out naked in January and pretty much you're never allowed to go out naked.

Bottom line is everyone should wear a mask because you're creating a more healthy environment

Just like we have certain laws about food safety, medication safety, basic laws about restaurants and how they have to conduct safety measures

You can laugh about it but all that stuff keeps you alive and guarantees you're much less likely to suffer a terrible disease

Yeah but to be fair humans as a Whole won't without a mandate lol. But imo we have 8 billion and counting so whatever. This won't even make a dent on population growth and yet the whole word is freaking out about it.

The US has never been "rule-strangled." A few places (NYC, SF) had some brief and mandatory closures, but NOTHING compared to what mainland Europe or China, HK, SK, etc. went through.

At the present, most of the US barely has any rules aside from masks!

Not really a shock there US is in a bad giving 1) lack of national direction 2) lack of evidence based policy implementation. But hey at least both sides got to feel self-righteous about things.

Sweden is right wing conspiracy designed to help Trump. Don't believe the lies. Only listen to Fauci! Only focus on the Imperial college model!!!!

Pelosi will send the sheep another stimulus check to keep y'all placated while they try to prop up the stock market long enough for the super rich to get out and dump the toxic assets on the unsuspecting.

The death rate in the U.S. is higher than Sweden, but the real difference is that the U.S. had enormous international travel to and from Italy and China, and so was exposed far more from before anyone knew until it was too late to stop the enormous surge in March-April. Sweden started off very low and only got here because they did so little to stop it. They had all the opportunity. Just look at their Scandinavian neighbors to see what could have been.

Sweden, a nation of over 10 million people, has been experiencing single digits in alleged Covid deaths for three months.

At the present, most of the US barely has any rules aside from masks!

Masks everywhere all the time, masks while running, K-12 schools are closed, daycares closed or at partial capacity, colleges closed, offices closed, movie theaters closed, concerts closed, sporting events closed, massive unemployment, massive business closures, all races closed, weddings closed, bars closed, museums closed, churches closed, parties illegal, restaurants at 25% capacity, birthday parties banned, grocery stores at 50% capacity, plexiglass dividers everywhere, public bathrooms closed, flights at partial capacity, gatherings of 10/20/50 whatever banned, quarantine rules for traveling between states, holidays cancelled, standing within 6ft of someone is illegal, law says you must wear masks in own home if having friends/family over...

Yeah but other than that there's practically no rules.

Americans are too fat and unhealthy to manage COVID the same way Sweden does. Sweden likely had lots of infected people who were asymptomatic or only mildly ill. We are much more likely to have our population end up in the ICU and on a ventilator on account of our high rates of obesity, diabetes. Most Europeans also don't want to languish in a hospital for weeks on a ventilator and their families will withdraw care. Americans refuse to take their relatives off ventilators after 4-5 weeks even though doctors tell them there is little hope of recovery.

Summary:

I wish we could just let COVID blow through the US but that wouldn't end well for us and fatties would overwhelm our ICUs.

cxzvxzcv wrote:

The death rate in the U.S. is higher than Sweden, but the real difference is that the U.S. had enormous international travel to and from Italy and China, and so was exposed far more from before anyone knew until it was too late to stop the enormous surge in March-April. Sweden started off very low and only got here because they did so little to stop it. They had all the opportunity. Just look at their Scandinavian neighbors to see what could have been.

Italy and China travel now? Oh yeah, lay it on! The leftists will always have an excuse that protects the lockdown extremist narrative. You think Sweden didn't have travel from those countries as well as others?

It's like some religious nut making up crap as they go along to desperately cling to their fantasies.

-Take a look at Scandanavian neighbors? Hey, how about that Norway? So as explained multiple times even on this site, Sweden and Norway counted deaths differently. Sweden counted everyone dying with heart attacks, cancer, strokes, etc that also had covid detected in their system. Norway did not. They very conservatively counted deaths and made sure as much as possible it was due to covid illness. If you counted Norwegian deaths the same as Sweden, Norway could easily have a few more thousand deaths. Your Norway fantasy has fallen apart a long time ago.

-Now, related to that is that the tests for covid are extremely sensitive. So sensitive in that they pick up viral material that would not cause any effect to a person nor would it make a person contagious. It has been estimated that these could be up to 90% false positives. So in essence, many in Scandanavia or the rest of the world did not in fact have contagious covid or were affected by covid. Nor did hundreds of thousands die from it.

But feel free to live in hysteria world and pretend there is a sooo scary pandemic with people dropping like flies all around you.

I wish we could just let COVID blow through the US but that wouldn't end well for us and fatties would overwhelm our ICUs.

Fat people aren't my problem. They can wear masks and stay home eating Doritos for the next few years, I don't care. I want my freedom back.

Cases are rising sharply in Sweden as people come back from summer vacations. 7 day moving average at the beginning of September was down around 150. Now, it is up to over 500 with a single day high of over 800 cases in a single day, the worst daily total since June. Sweden has no herd immunity. Tegnell has admitted that there was no herd immunity strategy. Sweden's "light tough" strategy was based on sustainability of social distancing requirements, not on achieving herd immunity. As cases rise, Swedes are now considering new restrictions.

wow so good job wrote:

cxzvxzcv wrote:

Again with Sweden:

Death Rate per Million:

Sweden 583

Denmark 115

Finland 62

Norway 51

You stats people don't seem to understand. At these extremely low levels, I don't care who has more deaths. Sweden has normal life. I'll take that over reducing the death rate from "tiny" to "even tinier" any day.

Well, it is fairly normal in Norway, too. Without the Swedish "strategy" . May be you don't care about the deaths, but that's just cynical. The fast Norwegian lockdown was a sucsess, because of that just masks on the subway and buses. And, by the way, the economy better, too. Don't look to Sweden. Look to Norway.

Precious Roy wrote:

Cases are rising sharply in Sweden as people come back from summer vacations. 7 day moving average at the beginning of September was down around 150. Now, it is up to over 500 with a single day high of over 800 cases in a single day, the worst daily total since June. Sweden has no herd immunity. Tegnell has admitted that there was no herd immunity strategy. Sweden's "light tough" strategy was based on sustainability of social distancing requirements, not on achieving herd immunity. As cases rise, Swedes are now considering new restrictions.

How many dead?

123 5 wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

Cases are rising sharply in Sweden as people come back from summer vacations. 7 day moving average at the beginning of September was down around 150. Now, it is up to over 500 with a single day high of over 800 cases in a single day, the worst daily total since June. Sweden has no herd immunity. Tegnell has admitted that there was no herd immunity strategy. Sweden's "light tough" strategy was based on sustainability of social distancing requirements, not on achieving herd immunity. As cases rise, Swedes are now considering new restrictions.

How many dead?

That is what you all were saying in June about the rising number of cases in the US. Outbreak in Sweden is just starting. Deaths lag positives by about 3-4 weeks. When will dummy learn.

Yeah baby. Keep that globalist fake news shyt alive!! Keep up the good work as a Gates and Fauci sockpuppet.

Never mind those that are "positive" means nothing since it is a useless test. Never mind the "covid deaths" are meaningless as a result. Never mind there's no actual pandemic.

As the classic saying goes, there's a sucker born every minute..

Precious Roy wrote:

Cases are rising sharply in Sweden as people come back from summer vacations. 7 day moving average at the beginning of September was down around 150. Now, it is up to over 500 with a single day high of over 800 cases in a single day, the worst daily total since June. Sweden has no herd immunity. Tegnell has admitted that there was no herd immunity strategy. Sweden's "light tough" strategy was based on sustainability of social distancing requirements, not on achieving herd immunity. As cases rise, Swedes are now considering new restrictions.

Deaths continue in single digits per day.

Sorry