Serena Williams says she has been UNDERPAID and UNDERVALUED

track chick wrote:

I have no idea if she is underpaid.

Someone would have to have a lot of inside knowledge of tennis, look at her career from the beginning over the years and compare it to what would be expected to be the earnings of the average woman. It's not simple.

I do know that especially at the beginning of their careers, there was a lot of questionable behaviour towards both of the Williams sisters.

I imagine that marketers realize that her obnoxiousness is off-putting to lots of people. Nothing to do with race ... I and millions of others loved Marion Jones.

At any rate, hard for me to work up a huge amount of outrage for this poor, abused multi-deca-millionaire.

True.

If one considers how much money she has generated for other people.

facts and reason wrote:

baa baa wool wrote:

shows you have no grasp on reality.

Primo is one of the best posters on here. He uses logic and common sense.

"Reality" is whatever you want it to be according to the leftists. They believe "gender is a social construct", and "there is no true right or wrong because morality is relative".

If you think his descriptions of the general reactions to Djoker and Serena’s events are anywhere close to accurate then you are as lost as he is.

track chick wrote:

I have no idea if she is underpaid.

Someone would have to have a lot of inside knowledge of tennis, look at her career from the beginning over the years and compare it to what would be expected to be the earnings of the average woman. It's not simple.

I do know that especially at the beginning of their careers, there was a lot of questionable behaviour towards both of the Williams sisters.

I remember when Venus came on the scene as a teenager. Her father, I believe, judiciously chose her tournaments which was atypical because many juniors were playing every weekend. Those tennis parents are nuts as they chase rankings and their kids over train and over compete. He knew what was best for his kids and it was the Williams' vs the rest. I always liked Venus more. Serena has always been a spoiled brat (not unlike McEnroe).

I can t stand her, but she is probably right.

she has also been shown wrong on several occasions where she has played whatever card to excuse her terrible behaviour.

But she has more than enough power, fame and money; what does she really have to cry about? She seem s to do very little publicly. Maybe she should support some less fortunate person and be positive rather than whining?

facts and reason wrote:

She's had an audience of millions of people. She's had endorsements. She's won championships.

I'm sorry, but I don't like how she's playing the victim.

Leftists do this a lot.

You nailed it. Welcome to the unfortunate existence of Serena Williams. Money really can't buy happiness huh...

"the tendency for interpersonal victimhood consists of four main dimensions: (a) constantly seeking recognition for one’s victimhood, (b) moral elitism, (c) lack of empathy for the pain and suffering of others, and (d) frequently ruminating about past victimization."

Hey I'm Serena and look at how TERRIBLY the world has treated me. I'm so underpaid and undervalued (in reality has made 93 million dollars from tennis alone and countless more more endorsements and is firmly in discussion of not just the greatest female athlete of all time but possibly greatest athlete of all time period).

The line judges and officials are all against me so it's okay for me to call them "liars and thiefs" and the physically threaten them as clearly I am a more moral and ethical person. I don't really care how they feel because well - I'm Serena and look at how poorly I've been treated my entire lives. Other players? No chance any of them had any hardships to overcome. Upbringings in war-torn nations? Racism and prejudice of their own to overcome? Not a chance.

Ever heard me discuss any solutions to my perceived wrongings? Focus on the positivity's of my life and self worth? No - let me tell YOU about how undervalued and underpaid I have been in my life and it's all because of my skin color.

In a sporting sense you will be hard pressed to find a bigger example of victimhood than Serena Williams. She is absolute blueprint.

Haha. Very funny. Open your eyes..

Her and her sister are the Caster Semenyas of the tennis world. They’ve ripped off actually deserving biological females.

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facts trump race narrative wrote:

Due to race? Really?

TENNIS CAREER PRIZE MONEY LEADERS

1 WILLIAMS, SERENA USA 93,542,122

2 WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 41,891,966

3 SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 38,777,962

4 HALEP, SIMONA ROU 36,837,011

5 WOZNIACKI, CAROLINE DEN 35,233,415

Funny, looks like the top 2 not white, despite a VERY sizable majority of professional players being white. Obviously, race is the issue.

Next.

Show the men’s prize money. Serena is the biggest draw in the sport. Above Joke and Fed & Ned.

No, she isnt. Federer is by far.

The ironic thing is haters actually have enriched her and guaranteed her wealth. The US is so polarized that all companies know 1/2 of the people will not like her and 1/2 of the people will like her therefore it's a simple decision to endorse her. There is no downside. On the other hand if there was an iota of brain power at work and some reasoned decision making going on she would likely earn about 1/3 less than she does. Wild how economics works and unintended consequences isn't it?

God, you’re a fk’n idiot smh

I also wanted to look at net worth as a measure of value outside of prize money alone.

If we deduct actual prize money from estimated net worth we get a more holistic picture of how Serena is valued. Let's compare with Federer, Nadal and Djokovic who are arguably 3 of the 5 greatest players ever and have combined to create an era of mens tennis that is without question the greatest ever and probably the greatest and most competitive era in any sport. It's akin to LeBron, Jordan and Wilt at their primes going head to head.

Federer NW = 450 million, less PM of 130 million = 320 million "non-tennis specific worth"

Nadal NW = 180 million, less PM of 120 million = 60 million "non-tennis specific worth"

Djokovic NW = 220 million, less PM of 144 million = 76 million "non-tennis specific worth"

Serena Williams = NW 200 million, less PM of 92 million = 108 million "non-tennis specific worth"

Hmmm, numbers don't quite add up to the claim do they. The only area Serena Williams can legitimately be upset about "not being valued" is with her career prize money but of course since 2007 the prize money at grand slams (the majority earner for tennis players) has been equal for men and women - the only sport to do this, and 16 of Serena's 23 grand slams have happened in 2007 and later with equal pay parity.

Not sure how you take an objective step back and make the claim you are undervalued and underpaid - unless of course you live some sad and oddly pathetic existence where you live in a cycle of trying to prove you are constantly a victim of something that may exist within your mind and not reality.

I find it so annoying that a woman who is worth 200million plus is complaining about being underpaid. True, Kornikova made loads of money even though she never won a grand slam, but who cares? There are many talentless insta influencers who are earning hundreds of thousands or even millions a month just placing products in yhe background while doing downwars dog. Whether you like ot or not, most affluent people are white, so advertisers focus on people who are like them. Also, if we are talking about the US, the majority is white, so why focus on the minority that happens to be also less wealthy? When/if the economic disparity between whites and blacks diminishes, advertisers will focus on the non whites more.

I could understand people of colour complaining about being accepted or compensated well in academia, tech, etc...but if there is any area where being black is a bonus is sports and entertainment. ..

I think the point is, that irrespective of gender, race, any other divisive categorization you wish to make - in a time where more than ever, many Americans (and people around the planet) are finding it hard just to put food on the table, a person complaining about being "underpaid and undervalued" when they have made 200 million bucks in their lifetime, shows about as little emotional intelligence and perspective as is humanly possible.

Not only that, it's 200 million dollars for doing sport - not saving peoples lives, finding cures to diseases or doing work with underprivileged people, communities and countries but sports, and in this case hitting a fuzzy ball over a net.

I respect Serena as an amazing athlete but as a person more than ever I am sick and tired of this narrative and her bullsh$t to be perfectly honest.

GGGG wrote:

Whilst I completely disagree that she has been underpaid (and she's lucky that there isn't all that much interest in tennis doping stories so her reputation remains intact) it is fair to say that Sharapova has been massively overpaid in endorsements in comparison to her performance levels. I imagine Kournikova was far better compensated than many above her in the rankings too.

I agree Sharapova was overpaid with respect to her playing abilities. But that is because pay in these sports isn't just strictly on ability and wins, it is also based on celebrity status. Sharapova was super hot and in the tabloids fairly often compared to other women at her level, so she was paid more than other women at her level. Her celebrity status wasnt enough to make her the top paid, but it did help her climb.

The williams sisters also had a bit of celebrity status because they are an interesting story and were fairly outspoken, but they didn't have the attractiveness of Sharapova to match it. Their dominance on the court kept them top paid, because they had 2 out of 3 down pat.

Osaka is a lot more attractive than the williams sisters, so if she can match their play (and its looking like she might), she will almost certainly become the new top paid. She probably won't reach sharapovas celebrity status, though, unless she can attract some drama to give her more off court stories and celebrity.

Well, if you are looking just at performance, and she does actually rake in a lot of endorsement dollars as well as prizes, Serena Williams is underpaid relative to the best men. She's stuck on 23 majors, while Federer ($106 million this year, $186 million in 2019), Djokovic ($44 million in 2020), Nadal ($40 million in 2020), and even Osaka ($36 million) are ahead of her.

In net worth in athletics, Ion Tiriac, a former tennis pro, is worth $2 billion, #2, ahead of Michael Jordan. Federer's #14 at $450 million. Oddly, Vinnie Johnson, the Microwave, is # 20 at $400 million! Serena's not in the top 20. In another list, Tiriac's #3, Djokovic is at #35 with $220 million, and Serena's 47th at $200 million. One woman, a Danish dressage rider, is near the top at $1 billion. She must have inherited the money.

It turns out that the Microwave founded Piston Automotive, which has grown to be one of the biggest auto parts suppliers in the country, with $2 billion in annual revenue, growing from $500 million in 2012.

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-athletes/nba/vinnie-johnson-net-worth/

I just find it strange when all these famous SJW liberals of color are married to or date only white men.

Kamala Harris

Omar Ilhan

Serena Williams

Constance Wu

Don Lemon

kore wrote:

I just find it strange when all these famous SJW liberals of color are married to or date only white men.

Kamala Harris

Omar Ilhan

Serena Williams

Constance Wu

Don Lemon

Why is it strange?

How many of her majors were won in five sets?