bannned i got wrote:
pretty sure she was on juice in HS
Shocking accusation! Who ever heard of high school kids doing drugs?
Goes without saying with the NCAA testing, joke that it is, all the great new sprinters are already running sub 10 and sub 44 before they even turn pro. Suddenly after they go pro their progression kind of slows down.
I was suggesting the date that she said doping did not make sense and she was most likely lying in court again.
That she said ah started doping is what I
meant.
Years ago, I watched her give an interview shortly after being released from prison. I was impressed how candid she was. My memory is kinda hazy, but I'm pretty sure she admitted to doping in high school. I think that was her moral defense as well: they gave her drugs from an early age and she didn't know better and she just took them.
I think Tim Montgomery art the 100m world record on 2002 and knocked up Marion Jones that year.
Jones was on maternity leave in 2003.
Then BALCO hit and she was done.
Similar to Alex Rodriguez. Almost certainly was doping since high school. All the claims of raw talent are tainted.
Great announcer btw. A-rod I mean
We saw what drugs can do to a clean star. See: bonds, Barry.
clean kenyan runners wrote:
Marion jones said she was given steroids by her coach, Trevor Gramham, starting 1999 .she ran her PR in 1998, another Athlete supplied with drugs by Balco, Tim Montgomery ran his PR years before. Even If they did dope before this how come these athletes didn't see a massive PR. Victor conte is a P.E.D expert he gave them the EPO, HGH, testosterone and established efficient doping calenders to dodge tests. None of the Balco dopers (from the 2000 Olympics) saw a huge PR after being supplied new drugs and put on advanced programs. What is the explanation?
One of the funniest and most obvious similarities almost all dopers that get caught have, is the "but I only started in..../only did it between...." statement.
Clearly to cheat in something as kind of holistically unimportant in sport and then (in the case of Marion, Lance, Bonds et al) vehemently deny it until you are blue in the face, there has to be a considerable amount of mental gymnastics and odd brain firings happening because humans by in large aren't programmed to lie (hence why most normal folk also show certain physical phenomena when they do).
My guess is that this verbal response is simply the last of the mental gymnastics that seems plausible and possibly believable for them to keep lying about. When you resort to doping, you are in essence conceding that your natural physical self simply isn't good enough to win in your sport without it. But at the same time you still need to maintain the mindset of believing you are better than your opponents because of course one of your justifications for doping is the assumption your opponents are doping too and you are simply evening the playing field.
It's this mindset that reveals itself with that oddly common statement. It's basically trying to convince us and themselves that "hey I was still really good without it (hence look at my performances when I "wasn't" cheating)" and this satisfies the delusion they have that in their minds they were still the best athlete regardless of cheating or not (which, even if they were, is impossible to know/prove once you cheat).
What does this mean regarding Marion Jones? None of what she says is believable, she's lying. So PR's/performances/medals with respect to alleged doping timelines according to Marion Jones means nothing. You can simply assume she cheated her entire career, which actually could very well be the case given she was banned from track as early as a high schooler.
The interview was one of ESPN's 30 for 30 episodes: Press Pause. If anyone wants to watch it....
A good question would be is Tim Montgomery Jr competing in track? Two talented parents (drugged up.) He would be around 17 by now.
The real question is what age did Bolt start? 14/15?
Bound4Glory wrote:
The interview was one of ESPN's 30 for 30 episodes: Press Pause. If anyone wants to watch it....
Lying about doping for 10 years us not being candid.
She admitted to it all. That makes everything "add up" perfectly.
donkeydoug wrote:
Jones popped in high school and Gatlin popped in college. Both lawyered up and beat the charges.
Both went on to work with graham. Both eventually popped again. Both banned.
And who was her lawyer? The one ..... the only ..... if it does not fit you must acquit. Johnny Cochran
SlowFatMaster wrote:
4 golds and a bronze.
3 golds and 2 bronze
Subway Surfers wrote:
The real question is what age did Bolt start? 14/15?
Yes. As sophisticated as Jamaica’s youth doping system is Im sure Bolt was doped up at an even younger age.
If you want to debate Bolt on drugs, go for it. But please at least know enough to realize he was likely very clean at 14/15
As a junior in high school she was fourth in Olympic trials but “opted” to NOT be an Olympian. The real reason is because she tested positive, but she hired Johnny Cochran‘s law firm to keep her records sealed because she was only a minor. She served her suspension and played basketball in North Carolina, but she was always on the track working out during college.
coaches suck wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
The real question is what age did Bolt start? 14/15?
Yes. As sophisticated as Jamaica’s youth doping system is Im sure Bolt was doped up at an even younger age.
If you want to debate Bolt on drugs, go for it. But please at least know enough to realize he was likely very clean at 14/15
Yeah I agree with you here. Highly unlikely that Usain Bolt was doping in his junior years. But what happened between 2007 and 2008? Hahaha....
10.03 > 9.69
19.75 > 19.30 (and after basically a 5 year plateau at the 19.8-20.0 range).
Guess he just cleaned his diet up huh and in the process became better than every other sprinter - doped or undoped (but the top of the lists doped) ever.
clean kenyan runners wrote:
Marion jones said she was given steroids by her coach, Trevor Gramham, starting 1999 .she ran her PR in 1998, another Athlete supplied with drugs by Balco, Tim Montgomery ran his PR years before. Even If they did dope before this how come these athletes didn't see a massive PR. Victor conte is a P.E.D expert he gave them the EPO, HGH, testosterone and established efficient doping calenders to dodge tests. None of the Balco dopers (from the 2000 Olympics) saw a huge PR after being supplied new drugs and put on advanced programs. What is the explanation?
It would be better to provide the exact quote.
I do recall saying she was given "The Clear" in 1999 by Graham, being told it was flaxseed oil, in a letter she sent to her close friends and family. It's possible in this "friends and family" context that this letter wasn't a complete confession. She started working with Trevor Graham in 1997. The advantage of "The Clear" was its undetectability.
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
coaches suck wrote:
Yes. As sophisticated as Jamaica’s youth doping system is Im sure Bolt was doped up at an even younger age.
If you want to debate Bolt on drugs, go for it. But please at least know enough to realize he was likely very clean at 14/15
Yeah I agree with you here. Highly unlikely that Usain Bolt was doping in his junior years. But what happened between 2007 and 2008? Hahaha....
10.03 > 9.69
19.75 > 19.30 (and after basically a 5 year plateau at the 19.8-20.0 range).
Guess he just cleaned his diet up huh and in the process became better than every other sprinter - doped or undoped (but the top of the lists doped) ever.
Bolt was to fast for his body to handle,he was very slim from 17-18 he dealt with injuries so he could not make it though a full professional season. At 18 he started lifting weights and bulked up he strengthened his body enough for him to begin handing faster speed. Injuries become more of a threat the faster you get.
I also think bolt had sub 10 ability at 17, the only thing holding him back was his start. The start Is much easier to improve than any other part of the race, especially if it is already bad.You also have to realize bolt went from being a 200/400 guy to a 100/200 guy, he had no 100m experience.
A plateau does not mean you reached your limit, it means your a weak in an area and it is preventing your improvement.
rekrunner wrote:
It would be better to provide the exact quote.
I do recall saying she was given "The Clear" in 1999 by Graham, being told it was flaxseed oil, in a letter she sent to her close friends and family. It's possible in this "friends and family" context that this letter wasn't a complete confession. She started working with Trevor Graham in 1997. The advantage of "The Clear" was its undetectability.
Another possible reason for the lack of details pre-1999, may be the 8-year statute of limitations in effect in 2007.