U Alabama 566 cases of coronavirus in first week of school

Slartibartfast wrote:

you can go your own wY wrote:

Kvothe quotes 1984, a novel that is warning against the dangers of big government, in order to try prove his/her point that we should give our government an immense amount of power to shut down society for an indefinite period of time under the guise that we are in a constant state of danger due to a virus with a .5% mortality rate.

Ironic

The actual irony is that you don’t understand who the fascists are in the current scenario.

The truest irony is that we are quibbling over a government dictatorship and its policies that are objectively corrupt.

bob macaflu wrote:

Slartibartfast wrote:

The actual irony is that you don’t understand who the fascists are in the current scenario.

The truest irony is that we are quibbling over a government dictatorship and its policies that are objectively corrupt.

Fair. Trump is probably corrupt. However, the Democrats are no better. We are at a point that both the Democrats and Republicans are fighting over an increasingly growing & powerful federal government in order to use it against each other.

The only solution to this is if we decrease the power of the government so neither the Republicans or Democrats can use it to damage their political or philosophical opponents. Thus, giving the government the power to “turn off” society whenever it deems said society as “unclean” or too germy is the exact opposite of what we should want to do right now.

Kvothe wrote:

the US didn't properly shut down and control the spread of covid-19.

What you're saying is so far from the truth it's ridiculous.

Kvothe wrote:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1237993

talk about a nightmare

They got up to 1300 cases over the next few days. Apparently

no hospitalizations.

Colleges should really be treating this as they used to treat any other disease. If

you are sick, stay home, otherwise you'd best be in class. If half the class is home

sick, maybe we'll cancel for a few days.

In Colorado they are monitoring the wastewater in the dorms and the academic schools. They identify cases before they spread. It's pretty ingenious, but seems like overkill for a demographic that is largely unaffected by this disease.

A lot of plots of deaths with analysis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=8UvFhIFzaac&app=desktop

Focused on Europe, but other data also.

Bottom line and items of interest:

Pandemic is over

Masks and lockdowns did nothing (most interesting data on that is mask/lockdowns

doesn't seem to have affected the normal seasonal flu)

Seasonality is important (NorthEast US followed Europe, Southern US followed

Brazil/Mexico)

He tries to link number of deaths in a country to severity of previous flu season--

could be an inverse link

This disease was not worth shutting the world down for.

Kvothe wrote:

Been there, done that. If anything, I feel sad for all the kids who are missing out on college experiences because the US didn't properly shut down and control the spread of covid-19. With a real shut down, spring semester would be safe.

Can you please explain how spring semester would be 'safe' had the US 'properly shut down'? Are you suggesting we would have eradicated the virus? How extensive would this shut down have had to been?

Turtleb wrote:

A lot of plots of deaths with analysis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=8UvFhIFzaac&app=desktop

Focused on Europe, but other data also.

Bottom line and items of interest:

Pandemic is over

Masks and lockdowns did nothing (most interesting data on that is mask/lockdowns

doesn't seem to have affected the normal seasonal flu)

Seasonality is important (NorthEast US followed Europe, Southern US followed

Brazil/Mexico)

He tries to link number of deaths in a country to severity of previous flu season--

could be an inverse link

This disease was not worth shutting the world down for.

It is interesting the number of COVID deniers who are also pushing some sort of keto diet or health supplements.

Turtleb wrote:

Kvothe wrote:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1237993

talk about a nightmare

They got up to 1300 cases over the next few days. Apparently

no hospitalizations.

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-thousands-cases-zero-hospitalizations-colleges-good-news-states-colleges-force-draconian-lockdowns/

Colleges should really be treating this as they used to treat any other disease. If

you are sick, stay home, otherwise you'd best be in class. If half the class is home

sick, maybe we'll cancel for a few days.

SDSU student is in the hospital. Of course, this is just another diversion tactic by COVID deniers. The issue with the virus spreading out of control on college campuses is not how many kids die or end up in the hospital. It is whether these outbreaks will reignite outbreaks across the country. The current surge in cases in Europe is being largely driven by young people partying during their summer break after some countries lifted bans on bars and clubs. The outbreaks among young people spread throughout all age groups within weeks. That is exactly what is going to happen with the outbreaks on college campuses.