Are Team Ingebrigtsen too good to be true?

Uhhhhh....Cheaters!!!!! and who runs for economic reasons???

"Go Run One"

tinman 4 eva wrote:

You'll be rewriting the same post once Tinman's latest group makes their way on to the scene. They'll make the Ingebritsens look like the amateurs they are.

Do you want me to connect you with Lance Armstrong's doctor- Dr. Michaele Ferrari? That's the only way the "Tingirls" won't get lapped in the 1500.

"Go Run One"

FinnJ wrote:

Their father has extraordinary high hemoglobin levels. They are not the first scandinavians with that. Just look at some of the skiers. 16% of European population have two actn3xx while it is only found in 1% of africans. It makes it next to impossible to become a world class sprinter but possible to have muscles without losing endurance. I don't know if they are actn3xx but it wouldn't surprise me

That sounds like Hemochormatosis. Having higher Iron and Ferritin isn't good. At the opposite from low hemoglobin but performance wise the same detriments of weakness, fatigue, inflammation.

If you've watched the reality show going back 7 years you can see Jakob was in organized training since 11years and it's so speed endurance based.

A particular episode Henrik and Filip were doing Ks and Jakob was going to do the 400 portion after the first one young Jakob was complaining of shin splints and couldn't manage the pace. Gjert knew this was from the growing pains so instead of giving Jakob an out he handed him his trainers and said he was to jog the turns and run light strides in the straight, he then did full strength/core afterward.

Have we figured out who the elusive Isaac Carlos is, and just where he ran his 7:29 3K?

Your options:

1. A center forward for Atletico Madrid who ran 7.5 times around the football pitch as punishment for showing up high for practice

2. His cousin, Isaac Viciosa who was accused of doping and dropped out of athletics

3. A race walker who cut the course and later married Rosie Ruiz

4. All of the above

yes boy wrote:

That’s a ver good point. You’d think Henrik at least would no longer wish to compete and Filip isn’t really getting anywhere. They are basically training as a support act for Jakob hahah. It doesn’t seem to be in their benefit, unless they are splitting the profit. Sounds like an incentive, doping system in place.

Filip just ran a 3:30.

Seems pretty good to me

Talent & training wrote:

Norway tend to produce some of the finest cross-country skiers in the world

:-)

I suspect, just like the leaked medical record's of Rupp as a teenager, that dear old dad doped the brothers during their developmental years (no doping controls in their teen and pre-teen years)

He got better and better at it with each one (and now comes the younger sister)

Look at the father (and the mother) and then look at the exceptional height difference between him and the kids. That just doesn't happen naturally.

They are clean now, but the benefits are built into their bodies.

Reindeer ? milk. Breakfast of champions

Isaac Carlos VICIOSA Is on the iaaf lists. Haha 1&2 ?????

You are drawing conclusions but you're just framing them as questions so you can claim you're not.

sounds more like hypotheses bro op didn't say they were facts just possibilities

Who cares? Jakob is never getting close to Joshua's WR or gold medals. Let him scrap with the Kenyans and Ethiopians for the minor places.

I'm sorry but Henrik and Filip have not run "incredible times." Their best distance, as with Jacob, is the 1500m and they have run 3:31 and 3:30 respectively. Very good but hardly incredible. Their times at other distances are good but unexceptional. Jacob, with his 3:28 and 13:02, appears to be the most talented and at 19 (nearly 20), would have the most upside. Henrik is near the end of his career and Filip has probably run his lifetime bests already. There is also the possibility of doping. PED use in Scandinavian countries is not unheard of.

Realism & continuity wrote:

I'll start off by saying I'm all for their success. ...

I'll start off by asking for confirmation, "Are Team Ingebrigtsen too good?

Philip and Henrik are not better than several others before them.

Jakob is marginally better than his brothers, and athletes of the 1980s. He has had several advantages training with his older brothers.

The fact that it is three brothers suggests a strong combination of nature and nurture: the result of lifelong training by a dedicated and knowledgable father, combined with innate talent. We have seen this father-son combination work before with Coe.

Could it be drugs? Seems to me like if drugs could produce runners that are "too good", then Jakob Ingebrigtsen would not appear so exceptional, with so few far and between since the days of Coe, Cram, and Ovett.

Whoops ... "Filip"

spotterofunderstatement wrote:

Talent & training wrote:

Norway tend to produce some of the finest cross-country skiers in the world

:-)

This is actually very relevant. Norway's cross-country skiing set up is the best in the world. There is a vast amount of knowledge of how to train effectively, which Gjert was influenced by.

In addition, distance running is popular in Norway, and it has produced many world class runners in the last 30 years. Athletes have good institutional support. Norwegians generally are very active physically. In addition, the country is mountainous, and hilly even in the flattest areas, which is conducive to producing good endurance athletes.

You forget joaquím Cruz olímpic champion from Brazil

How is any of this too good to be true if it's literally true that they're competitive with the best of East Africa, if not beating them a lot of the time? Henrik may not have been as competitive as Fillip and Jakob at this point, but Filip has won a medal at worlds and Jakob is certainly poised to do the same (while obviously being the most talented and best of the brothers). He'll break also probably break 12:50 in the future. In addition to that, we just saw Jakob and Fillip pull Jake Wightman to a 3:29 in Monaco, along with Lewandowski taking a bronze medal at Worlds last fall (ahead of the Ingebrigstens). Also Josh Kerr (who's still just 22) seems talented enough to get close to the low 3:30 range eventually and Charlie Grice ran 3:30 in Monaco last summer as well. Centro already won multiple medals at global champs before the younger Ingebrigstens became relevant at this level (although he's clearly past his peak at 1500 since he couldn't even break 1:50 for 800 at the most recent big friendly meet). We've seen what Jager has done in the steeple (and still probably can do when he moves back to it next year), along with Ahmed's 12:47 and a number of other sub 13 minute (or close to it) Americans. Yes Ahmed was born in Somalia, but his running and improvements are a product of the West. Plus Donny B and other Americans over 800.

Same with the women; Houlihan has run 3:54/8:26/14:23, Schweizer 4:00/8:25/14:26, along with the likes of Klosterhalfen (3:58/4:17/8:20/14:26 and world bronze), Laura Muir (1:58/2:30/3:55/8:25), Jemma Reekie (1:57/2:31/4:00/4:17), Laura Weightman (4:00/4:17/8:26/14:35), Elinor Purrier (4:00/4:16), and Gabriella Stafford (3:56/4:17/14:44) running super fast times that are certainly also competitive on the world stage. Obviously can't forget about US steeplechasing with Coburn, Frerichs, Quigley etc. Probably forgetting others too.

Sorry for the giant essay on the spot, but I don't believe it's too good to be true, because it is indeed true. The West is having a HUGE resurgence in distance running, at least up to the 5k.

El Ugandiano wrote:

Who cares? Jakob is never getting close to Joshua's WR or gold medals. Let him scrap with the Kenyans and Ethiopians for the minor places.

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El Keniano is back! Even though he has defected to a neighbouring country. Smart move by the way: Then he doesn´t need to explain what happened to his young Kenyan 1500m lions George Manangoi and Justus Soget! And to his Tokyo 1500m gold favourite Elijah Manangoi.