All of my local rivals do epo, I am as clean as a whistle though
All of my local rivals do epo, I am as clean as a whistle though
The reason why Coe & Ovett were so far ahead of the GB runners that followed in the 90's and early 00's, is because they both doped, just like the other big GBR names of the 80s - Wells, Whitbread, Christie, Capes etc.
Many Brits - just like some Americans when it comes to Carl Lewis & JJK - refuse to believe the obvious, that their heroes were dirty.
wiederganger wrote:
The reason why Coe & Ovett were so far ahead of the GB runners that followed in the 90's and early 00's, is because they both doped, just like the other big GBR names of the 80s - Wells, Whitbread, Christie, Capes etc.
Many Brits - just like some Americans when it comes to Carl Lewis & JJK - refuse to believe the obvious, that their heroes were dirty.
So obvious you don't need to supply any evidence or even argument. And you ignore the obvious contradiction as to why the British runners after Coe and Ovett (and presumably you believe Cram and Peter Elliott, David Moorcroft were doping) didn't appear to take advantage of EPO, unlike most of the rest of the world.
Oh the irony of Coevett chastising OTHERS for not providing evidence 😂😂😂😂😂
Coevett wrote:
wiederganger wrote:
The reason why Coe & Ovett were so far ahead of the GB runners that followed in the 90's and early 00's, is because they both doped, just like the other big GBR names of the 80s - Wells, Whitbread, Christie, Capes etc.
Many Brits - just like some Americans when it comes to Carl Lewis & JJK - refuse to believe the obvious, that their heroes were dirty.
So obvious you don't need to supply any evidence or even argument. And you ignore the obvious contradiction as to why the British runners after Coe and Ovett (and presumably you believe Cram and Peter Elliott, David Moorcroft were doping) didn't appear to take advantage of EPO, unlike most of the rest of the world.
Not a contradiction, although Ovett and Coe definitely didn't uses EPO as it was made after their primes, British runners now are less likely to use it because there's testing for it.
I'm not saying Coe or Ovett were clean they just didn't use Epo but testing in the 70's, 80's, and to a lesser extent the 90's was terrible.So they could have used anything else.
Alyson Felix....She's just too honorable to be taking steroids and she's never "had the look".
It's fair to criticize posters who say athlete "X" is dirty without evidence, but people who defend alleged drug cheats with the following explanations are also equally flawed:
1) Never tested positive (Lance Armstrong and Marion Jones)
2) Were elite as youngsters and young professionals and thus their improvements are valid (Barry Bonds was already a hall-of-famer before he went full steroids. )
Naïve to think there are more clean than dirty Olympic-Level athletes.
Probably the only one on that list was Ovett, even though I hope that Tergat was (probably my second favorite behind Geb).
Anyone that is world-class (and dare I say national class) is suspect. I think peds are now so prevalent in the sport that athletes justify it believing that they can’t compete without them - and they’re right. I’d be interested to see who in the US has been tested over the past year. Even if they are testing the athletes are ahead of the curve.
Coevett wrote:
I don't see that as proof of guit in any way. The fact is that drugs are banned and those who use them are cheating.
It certainly doesn't say he opposes it either.
runnerboy70 wrote:
Alyson Felix....She's just too honorable to be taking steroids and she's never "had the look".
She does strike me as "the one" who could be, but we've been burned before.
covid covid wrote:
Timetocomeback wrote:
I’m curious to hear what other people’s thoughts are on various high profile athletes. Is the consensus that they’re all dirty? Only certain ones? I’ll kick us off with some of my thoughts:
Coe - probably clean
Ovett - clean
Morcelli - dirty
Lagat - clean
Tergat - don’t know, maybe clean
El Guerrouj - my all time favourite athlete, maybe bar Lagat. Probably dirty. Probably still beats everyone regardless.
Bekele - probably dirty, but I really don’t know
Mo Farah - dirty
Serhiy lebid - DIRTY
Kiprop - dirty
Jacob Ingerbritsen- hopefully clean
Lopez lomong - dirty
Rudisha- clean
Eluid Kipchoge - clean
I could go on all day talking about this, genuinely love this topic and it fascinates me what people’s opinions are and why. For example, with the likes of Lagat / Kipchoge, I don’t see how they could be doping for so f*cking long and get away with, especially since they’re competing / competed when there was actual testing.
Coe - dirty
Ovett - clean
Morcelli - dirty
Lagat - clean
Tergat - dirty
El Guerrouj - dirty
Bekele - clean
Mo Farah - clean
Serhiy lebid - dirty
Kiprop - dirty
Jacob Ingerbritsen- dirty
Lopez lomong - idk
Rudisha- clean
Eluid Kipchoge - clean
jager - dirty
Mo Ahmed - dirty
Bob Kennedy - dirty
Schweizzer- dirty
Houlihan- dirty
Coe - dirty
Ovett - semi-clean
Morcelli - dirty, like, to the gills
Lagat - dirty to the moon
Tergat - dirty
El Guerrouj - dirty
Bekele - dirty to the maxx
Mo Farah - dirty dirtbag
Serhiy lebid - dirty
Kiprop - dirty like cray cray dirty
Jacob Ingerbritsen- semi-clean
Lopez lomong - dirty as dirt can be
Rudisha- semi-clean
Eluid Kipchoge - dirty, mega dirty
jager - semi-clean
Mo Ahmed - dirty
Bob Kennedy - semi clean
Schweizzer- semi clean
Houlihan- semi clean
Raddison wrote:
It is impossible to know who is clean, who is dirty and who is gaming the rules with TUEs etc. I think that most peoples opinion is just based on whether they like the athlete or not. If they are liked they get the benefit of the doubt. If they are not liked they are condemned based on the most circumspect evidence.
Case in point: The following athlete is almost universally considered clean yet his autobiography would be absolute proof of guilt were he not so popular.
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I believe that the sport of athletics and in fact all sports must take a fresh look at drug taking and relate it to the world beyond the confines of their own responsibility. With certain reservations, I think that taking drugs to aid performance should be a matter of personal choice, just as it is in other aspects of life. We take drugs when we are ill to aid our recovery to full health and we use them for minor ailments, such as headaches and sleeplessness; but from there we move across the spectrum, begin to touch on the area of morality associated with taking drugs for better sporting performance. Many people take sleeping pills and tranquilizers to aid their performance at work the next day and no one questions the morality of drugs used in this area.
….. There have been rather woolly claims that drugs on the banned list are damaging: when anabolic steroids were first used there were stories about possible cancer, impotency and other claims, but it seems to me that these were childish deterrent methods used by administrators to frighten athletes.
Who?
Of course Mo Farah's clean. He just has a really poorly functioning doorbell and listens very loudly to music through his headphones.........
In general I assume top athletes are not clean, though I've always wanted Allyson Felix to be an exception.
LRC logic:
Black athletes: dirty
White athletes: semi-clean
White American athletes: clean
Pajac wrote:
Me.
Me too, but if I knew how to get the good stuff, I'd be on EPO, HGH, testosterone, thyroid meds, you name it. There's this one a@#hole who always beats me by a few seconds. He won't be laughing when my 16:43 turns into a 16:05.
Raddison wrote:
It is impossible to know who is clean, who is dirty and who is gaming the rules with TUEs etc. I think that most peoples opinion is just based on whether they like the athlete or not. If they are liked they get the benefit of the doubt. If they are not liked they are condemned based on the most circumspect evidence.
Case in point: The following athlete is almost universally considered clean yet his autobiography would be absolute proof of guilt were he not so popular.
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I believe that the sport of athletics and in fact all sports must take a fresh look at drug taking and relate it to the world beyond the confines of their own responsibility. With certain reservations, I think that taking drugs to aid performance should be a matter of personal choice, just as it is in other aspects of life. We take drugs when we are ill to aid our recovery to full health and we use them for minor ailments, such as headaches and sleeplessness; but from there we move across the spectrum, begin to touch on the area of morality associated with taking drugs for better sporting performance. Many people take sleeping pills and tranquilizers to aid their performance at work the next day and no one questions the morality of drugs used in this area.
….. There have been rather woolly claims that drugs on the banned list are damaging: when anabolic steroids were first used there were stories about possible cancer, impotency and other claims, but it seems to me that these were childish deterrent methods used by administrators to frighten athletes.
Couldn’t agree more.
Coe - clean
Lagat- clean
Tergat - dirty
Komen - dirty
Haile - clean
Bekele - dirty
El Gerrouj - dirty
Jakob - clean
Rudisha - clean
Eliud - clean
Rupp - cleanish (not breaking the rules but breaking the integrity of the rules)
Cheptegei - clean
Sammy Wanjiru - dirty
Ryan Hall - clean
Ritz - clean
Webb - clean
Farah - dirty
Waldemar Cierpinski - dirty (Frank deserves his 2nd gold medal)
Nick Willis - clean
So Farah and Rupp arent clean but Ritz was? C'mon.....
To the poster who said Schweizer and Houlihan are dirty, I disagree, there may be some form of over-subscribing certain medication but that's as far as I'll go, and even that I think may be a stretch, but I'm a cynic
Finally +1 to anyone who has called out Eliud in this thread. No one wants to admit it, but the guy is not clean. He's been Nike's pet project for years (at the very least since Mo). I don't believe his age either & during his track career he was always battling w Bekele who was up to his gills in EPO etc etc etc
& side note, EK has never run under 2:04 without super shoes. just saying