Houlihan one mile American record attempt

They were all just drug tested last week after their 4 x 1500 world record and will be tested again after this next meet

not like they can't train sauced up and get rid of glow for competitions

Jo72 wrote:

Wouldn't it be really stupid to run records if one wanted to avoid being tested? Because all these records have to be accompanied by a doping test to be ratified.

Yes, it would be stupid - if testing always caught dopers. But it doesn't. Most know how to avoid testing positive, as the estimated incidence of doping far exceeds the numbers caught.

Armstronglivs wrote:

history repeats wrote:

But she did cheat. That’s worse to me than running in a few time trials. Call me crazy.

You have a lot of confidence in the cleanness of present day track. It's long been dirty but there's been no effective testing for months, because of the Covid crisis.

A failed doping test vs no failed doping tests still means something to me. If it doesn’t to you then I am not sure why you still come around to places like this.

khorrps wrote:

not like they can't train sauced up and get rid of glow for competitions

Not when you have 5 competitions in a month in addition to out-of-competition testing

nikeman wrote:

They were all just drug tested last week after their 4 x 1500 world record and will be tested again after this next meet

Actually only standard distances need testing within 24 hours for record ratification. Mile and 4x15s are not standard distances as far as I know.

This being a non legitimate meet (only one club) is a conundrum. It will be interesting to see if USATF ratifies the Houlihan’s record.

Sounds like a possible change of plans where it may be an 800 instead of a mile.

BTC and me wrote:

This being a non legitimate meet (only one club) is a conundrum. It will be interesting to see if USATF ratifies the Houlihan’s record.

There is still time to add a few runners from another club to the BTC event. Maybe it is not important to the BTC to have a ratified run. It is just going to be a time trial.

nikeman wrote:

Sounds like a possible change of plans where it may be an 800 instead of a mile.

Interesting. Maybe they will run a mile at a different event in another few weeks where all the pieces are in place.

Long break coming up after this meet, about a 6 week break. We will see what happens after that. Would be cool to see her take a shot at the 10k record this fall since there’s nothing else going on. I think she can go sub 30 for 10k.

Quigley stated in her IG post on Monday that she has one more goal for this season she will try to reach on Friday. Looking at her prs on worldathletics.org, she has strong prs in every event -- except the 800m where her prs are just 2:08 indoors from college and 2:16 outdoors from her hs days in Missouri back in 2011.

Above -- coupled with the last two meets not running anything longer than 1500m along with these mixed gender relays -- strongly infers that the main course for Friday is the 800.

English, US, Canadian 800 records are 1:41, 1:42 and 1:43 respectively for men. Ajee's

US record is 1:55. So, no 800 records will be set.

Most interesting would be Shelby breaking 2-flat again or how many guys get under1:50.

One thing, though. This meet was on the USATF.tv schedule back on Monday but has been absent since. So, there may not be live streaming -- or they will what they did for BTC Meet #1 and have Evan Jager's video camera attached to a hurdle:-)

4125 wrote:

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Have your reporter ask them why she is not going to Monaco.

Not comfortable with overseas travel in a pandemic.

yeah, it's super safe in the USA

history repeats wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You have a lot of confidence in the cleanness of present day track. It's long been dirty but there's been no effective testing for months, because of the Covid crisis.

A failed doping test vs no failed doping tests still means something to me. If it doesn’t to you then I am not sure why you still come around to places like this.

It does make a difference but perhaps not as much as you think it does. Only 1% of tests return positives and yet there are expert estimates that put doping as high as 1 in 3 athletes (even 40%) at championship level. Sadly, the best performances remain suspect now.

I’m just gonna be honest and say an 800 time trial is super-lame if that’s what she does. They have nobody who can pace it, so I assume it’s just Shelby having to go wire to wire. At best she’ll run what? 1:58 aka slower than what Jemma Reekie runs? Boring. If she’s in supreme shape, Schweizer should take her through in 2:39 for 1000 and lets see what happens in a mile.

Indoor? wrote:

dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:

That 3:55 was a one off in conditions that are unlikely to be replicated. Put in her more normal 3:58 and we are looking a 4:16 or so mile.

What about anything Shelby has done since she was a pro has made this seem like a one off? That's a bad take.

We can check back in 5 years. In 2012 would you have though that everyone in the olympic 800m final would never run faster?

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

I’m just gonna be honest and say an 800 time trial is super-lame if that’s what she does. They have nobody who can pace it, so I assume it’s just Shelby having to go wire to wire. At best she’ll run what? 1:58 aka slower than what Jemma Reekie runs? Boring. If she’s in supreme shape, Schweizer should take her through in 2:39 for 1000 and lets see what happens in a mile.

complain complain complain. When she runs 1:57 will you be complaining still?

She calls herself Shelbo800 remember. She was running 2:01 back when she was about a 4:05 runner and now she’s 3:54.

Drug testing is required for any USA event that is also a World Athletics recognized World Record. The rules are different for American and World Records.

USA Record - athletes have 24 hours to be tested.

World Record - athletes must be tested immediately after the event. Basically the first passing of urine.

Bottom line: both the mile and the 4 x 1500 require testing at the event for ratification.

Hardloper wrote:

khorrps wrote:

not like they can't train sauced up and get rid of glow for competitions

Not when you have 5 competitions in a month in addition to out-of-competition testing

Exactly. Last season most of BTC, incl. Shelby ran Pre, USA's and Doha, or am I missing one event? That's it. They ran more competitions in the season with reduced testing than in the one before that included a world championships.

Indoor? wrote:

dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:

That 3:55 was a one off in conditions that are unlikely to be replicated. Put in her more normal 3:58 and we are looking a 4:16 or so mile.

What about anything Shelby has done since she was a pro has made this seem like a one off? That's a bad take.

It's not about Shelby in particular, but about the Doha race. It was the fastest non-Chinese race in history and of the first 7 all but Muir ran massive PBs (of about 2 to almost 4 sec). Dibaba's WR 2015 was faster but in that race in Monaco she was almost 6 seconds ahead of the next (Hassan). So independent of the particular runners, the Doha final was a rather extraordinary race and I am probably not the only one who wouldn't be surprised if several of these runners never again got within a second of their Doha PBs, even less improve upon it.