Why is my easy pace so slow relative to my mile race pace?

david45 wrote:

KT1 wrote:

If it’s actually this hard for you now, there is no way you could have been scholarship worthy even if you started in middle school. Don’t beat yourself up over a fantasy you could have never achieved with your talent level.

That is sad. I will never get to get a scholarship because of my genes

These are the kind of posts that annoy many posters. There are a lot more reasons why you will never get an athletic scholarship than your genetics. You didn't go out for xc until senior year. Even if you were super talented, with such a late start, you'd have been a walk on at best.

You have a strange way of planning training - ie nothing seemed off enough about training in your backyard for months to stop doing it. Finally you realized it was hampering your improvement or maybe just wasn't fun, but it took over 4 months.

Not being part of a team doesn't bother you to the point where you make joining one - the UCLA club team an extreme priority. The top athletes ran for the school's teams even when they had to jump through hoops to do so.

If you'd run from freshman year and applied yourself academically, you could have gotten an academic scholarship at a d3 or something, which is just as good as being on athletic scholarship unless you plan to just coast by in college.

Its not just your level, if someone made threads - its so sad I'll never run a 219 marathon, they'd be as off putting as posts like the quoted one.

What can you do? Focus on the future, not the past.

Set reasonable goals.

A better goal would be to bust your ass for 4 years of club running to walk on an naia team for 2 years while getting a masters.

Run in the present. This approach looks like - yesterday was super crappy, what' today's run, with yesterday's condition having no bearing on today's, only physiology playing a role in the run underway, not psychology.

The world is never going to be handed to you. At best someone (letsrun) might tell you how to do the work, but you'll actually have to do it and pouting on the internet isn't going to help, only taking things one day at a time will.

elvid32 wrote:

It seems that it is about 10:00 AM PDT and david45 has just woken up to start his full time job spamming LRC. At about 13 hours per day, 7 days a week, this type of commitment would make most people doing real work a CEO in no time.

I am not active on LRC for that long

help me help you wrote:

Post a shot of your Apple Watch after a workout. Or link your account so we can see your stats. Truthfully we can’t help you unless we can look at some data.

I can't link my apple watch to my iphone because I have an iPhone 5s that isn't compatible with an apple watch

david45 wrote:

Another giver of +1 wrote:

I've said this before in a couple of your other threads; You are not fit enough to have an easy pace. Every run is going to be somewhat hard and at a higher heart rate than "easy zone." If your body is in need of an easy day, then do run/walk intervals. After a couple of months of 6 day a week running, outside, not around your yard, your aerobic fitness will improve and then you can think about having scheduled easy days.

I can't believe I wasted so much valuable time running in my backyard

David I don’t know why you think it was a waste of time - in another thread I saw someone say they ran ten milers nearly everyday in their yard.

I’m in a similar boat - I ran 5-10 miles per day in my yard, about your size, when my wife and I had our first kid. (Met her because we both ran CC and track at William and Mary, but that’s a story for a different day).

I’d suggest you keep doing those runs, as they improve mental fortitude and fitness better than any other training I’ve done.

So should I just run for 30 minutes today?

I also created a Strava profile.

D45: The poster is correct. Slower runners operate by slightly different rules.

My advice: Use a walk / run combination for 90 minutes and keep your HR between 135-145.... 2x per week. Do not let it climb into the 150s on your easy days. Even 3 days per week would be good for you until you become more fit.

Peace

4-3 Thirty wrote:

D45: The poster is correct. Slower runners operate by slightly different rules.

My advice: Use a walk / run combination for 90 minutes and keep your HR between 135-145.... 2x per week. Do not let it climb into the 150s on your easy days. Even 3 days per week would be good for you until you become more fit.

Peace

I can run a mile in 6:51 minutes. I am not that unfit

david45 wrote:

4-3 Thirty wrote:

D45: The poster is correct. Slower runners operate by slightly different rules.

My advice: Use a walk / run combination for 90 minutes and keep your HR between 135-145.... 2x per week. Do not let it climb into the 150s on your easy days. Even 3 days per week would be good for you until you become more fit.

Peace

I can run a mile in 6:51 minutes. I am not that unfit

YES YOU ARE

david45 wrote:

4-3 Thirty wrote:

D45: The poster is correct. Slower runners operate by slightly different rules.

My advice: Use a walk / run combination for 90 minutes and keep your HR between 135-145.... 2x per week. Do not let it climb into the 150s on your easy days. Even 3 days per week would be good for you until you become more fit.

Peace

I can run a mile in 6:51 minutes. I am not that unfit

If you can do that 25.2 times more afterwards, then you would be right at a 3-hour marathon time.

david45 wrote:

help me help you wrote:

Post a shot of your Apple Watch after a workout. Or link your account so we can see your stats. Truthfully we can’t help you unless we can look at some data.

I can't link my apple watch to my iphone because I have an iPhone 5s that isn't compatible with an apple watch

You must use an iPhone to set up an Apple Watch. Which phone did you use to set up the watch? The workouts upload somewhere. Where do they upload to? Which app do you use to track runs? You’ve repeatedly said you use the watch GPS. Show us some data. Something is amiss. Hopefully a letsrun sleuth can formulate some ideas.

help me help you wrote:

david45 wrote:

I can't link my apple watch to my iphone because I have an iPhone 5s that isn't compatible with an apple watch

You must use an iPhone to set up an Apple Watch. Which phone did you use to set up the watch? The workouts upload somewhere. Where do they upload to? Which app do you use to track runs? You’ve repeatedly said you use the watch GPS. Show us some data. Something is amiss. Hopefully a letsrun sleuth can formulate some ideas.

I am using my parent's iphone to set up the Apple Watch, and I don't want to download Strava on their iPhone. I just use the Apple Workout App on my Apple Watch to track runs.

david45 wrote:

4-3 Thirty wrote:

D45: The poster is correct. Slower runners operate by slightly different rules.

My advice: Use a walk / run combination for 90 minutes and keep your HR between 135-145.... 2x per week. Do not let it climb into the 150s on your easy days. Even 3 days per week would be good for you until you become more fit.

Peace

I can run a mile in 6:51 minutes. I am not that unfit

Hi David,

I am not attempting to criticize you. I simply recommend that you do whatever it takes to get your easy days into the 135-145 BPM range for 90 minutes. For some athletes, that means a walk/run combo.

Here is more information that may help you understand where I am coming from.

All the best!

David45, what is the second fastest mile you've run? Was the 6:51 on a track, or on the road? If on the road measured by GPS, perhaps it was short, and that isn't an accurate PB, leading to frustrations due to judging everything else from it.

Swerving wrote:

David45, what is the second fastest mile you've run? Was the 6:51 on a track, or on the road? If on the road measured by GPS, perhaps it was short, and that isn't an accurate PB, leading to frustrations due to judging everything else from it.

It was on the road. I also measured the distance on Google Earth, and it was definitely not short.

Your easy run pace is so much slower because you're doing it RIGHT. Easy runs should be for recovery and/or base building. Don't worry about pace as these runs, but definition, ARE NOT CONTINGENT ON PERFORMANCE AND, THUS, BE HARD.

Run relaxed on your easy days and work hard (but smart!) on your workout days so you can crush on your race days!

The Angel of Death wrote:

Your easy run pace is so much slower because you're doing it RIGHT. Easy runs should be for recovery and/or base building. Don't worry about pace as these runs, but definition, ARE NOT CONTINGENT ON PERFORMANCE AND, THUS, BE HARD.

Run relaxed on your easy days and work hard (but smart!) on your workout days so you can crush on your race days!

So should I run for 30 minutes or 50 minutes on my easy runs?

david45 wrote:

elvid32 wrote:

It seems that it is about 10:00 AM PDT and david45 has just woken up to start his full time job spamming LRC. At about 13 hours per day, 7 days a week, this type of commitment would make most people doing real work a CEO in no time.

I am not active on LRC for that long

Three hours straight since waking up today...

You should take a day off sometime. Workaholics that don’t maintain a good work-life balance tend to burn out.

elvid32 wrote:

david45 wrote:

I am not active on LRC for that long

Three hours straight since waking up today...

You should take a day off sometime. Workaholics that don’t maintain a good work-life balance tend to burn out.

I am asking if someone's idea of me dropping from 50 to 30 minutes is a good idea.

david45 wrote:

elvid32 wrote:

Three hours straight since waking up today...

You should take a day off sometime. Workaholics that don’t maintain a good work-life balance tend to burn out.

I am asking if someone's idea of me dropping from 50 to 30 minutes is a good idea.

You've been posting for three hours straight to day you knobhead. He wasn't talking about running for 3 hours straight.