BRAZIER Confirmed for Monaco!!!

That's what you have written:

"Monaco clearly has great credentials for fast time and is clearly the fastest/best track in the world for middle distances. "

Clearly the fastest TRACK.

Now you want to give the impression that you always have just pointed on the fast middle distance times and that you always were completely open for the reasons.

Why are you now focusing on the word ABOUT? For sure not even you can say the track is EXACTLY 1 second faster than others. Does about "1 second" also include 0 seconds?

I'm also still wondering why Peer Mediator is giving some lengthy answer for you?

Yeah, I was joking about Brazier being lucky. Obviously.

But J was also seriously pointing out what fine shape Wightman is in.

He was injured early last year and steadily worked his way back to peak form for Doha.

It's clear he is still improving. Alteady the best 800/1500 runner GB has produced since Peter Elliott.

Btw, my joke is no more ridiculous than thinking Brazier could win the 1500m in Tokyo, as many here have been suggesting off the back of his 3:36.

And to the race obsessed idiots - I like Donovan Brazier, and hope he continues to smash the Kenyans. And he's not much darker than Sebastian Coe, who I'm accused of worshipping (what have you guys got against Indians anyway?).

I'm sorry Deano, there is nothing special about Monaco's surface compared to any other track out there. A fresh new surface always helps times but there is nothing special about Monaco specifically. London resurfaces it's track every couple of years also.

You can post all the 1500m times you want but that doesn't change the very simple fact that Monaco is surfaced with a commercially available solution which is installed in about 70 other IAAF certified tracks.

Start talking about the weather or something else. The surface is not the answer. And it's really quite basically naive to list 1500m times by different athletes in different conditions on different days at different times and claim that the difference is due to one specific factor which is the track surface. Makes absolutely no sense at all, no scientific method behind that.

Coevett wrote:

Yeah, I was joking about Brazier being lucky. Obviously.

Regarding the enormous amount of nonsense which you have written over the years, that's not at all obviously.

I listed elite 1500m guys times in 5 different years and compared their Monaco time with their best time achieved anywhere else that season! It is impossible to have the same athlete run on 2 different tracks at the same time, so please reveal a better way of comparing times on two different tracks? There are many meets with elite level rabbited 1500m races each year, and only one Monaco. If it were no different to other tracks, then why do all the elites seem to target just one race, and almost all of them tend to succeed in running massive season bests or pbs? Somehow, with all their separate training schedules, they all peak at the exact same time in Monaco a month before they usually compete in a championship.

Again, I'm not saying that it must be all down to the track surface, and there are of course other variables, as you mention. But if the track isn't the main reason, it still means that the pace, weather, etc, must be consistently better than at any other venue. That in itself requires quite some suspension of disbelief.

I had a look at this old thread from 5 years ago, which shows I'm not the only one who has views or at least questions why times set on the Monaco track continue to be so fast in the middle distances.

You can't compare with times, that's why it is pointless. If I run an 800m this week at my home track then in a month I might run 2 seconds faster on the same track. There is so many variables.

The pacing is not always good. It wasn't last year and so times were off. But when it is good athletes run fast. Monaco often spends the money on 3 pacemakers for the 1500.

The meeting is usually in July which is a prime point of the season. Athletes are fully peaked. Races in May and June are not going to be as fast.

The weather is always nice. It is Monte Carlo in the height of summer for God's sake.

The track surface is not special. Lots of tracks use the same surface. It's time to move on.

The athletes simply try and run fast in the 1500m it's really not that hard to understand. The other events are not special at all.

Comparing times of guys who set personal bests at Monaco to their next best race is naturally going to give you a time gap, since they never ran as fast elsewhere. It would be far, far better methodologically to look at lots and lots of times from the races. But when you consider that Monaco does not produce great times in most other events relative to field and time of year, it seems there's something else going on. Monaco has far more money for appearances than Rieti nowadays and much better fields. In recent years, athletes have tended to set pr's before, not after major champs, for the most part, and Monaco has been the place to do so in the 1500m. The athletes themselves say that they are targeting a fast time there, so they are mini-tapering for it. For world's, they then work on rounds and finishing speed, as Willis said, somewhat different than time trials. Zurich is just a money grab, and some athletes let themselves go after champs, like Centro.