BRAZIER Confirmed for Monaco!!!

Extremely cool. Hopefully he is paced in 49.xx and there's no messing around. Or let's just put Wesley Vazquez in the field...

Which event? I assume 800, but they didn't think to mention which event he'd be running.

Sapel wrote:

Awesome news! Are Americans not banned from traveling to Monaco?

Like I told you in the previous thread, non-essential travel bans are for the little people. And yes this will be great.

how would something like this typically be available to watch? nbc sports gold?

sub-1:41 or bust?

Donavan's gonna go out and drop the world record. Watch.

Does anyone know what kind of shape Amos is claiming to be in, or if he is even running?

I guess ex-runner might..

Tell me it's for the 1500m!

The chances of somebody (whether it’s Brazier, Cheptegei, Warholm, Ingebrigtsen, Hassan, etc.) bringing an eye-popping performance at Monaco seem very good. For one, the incentive to run fast is as strong as ever since this could be the one opportunity to salvage a year of their careers—like, losing the 2020 Olympic season to coronavirus wouldn’t be so hard to stomach if you can get the WR as a consolation prize.

Brazier has looked phenomenal in 2020, but it takes a phenomenal athlete to run 1:42.x, let alone the WR. My wager for Monaco is that he guns for 1:41 and fades to 1:42-high FTW, super impressive considering the circumstances of this season.

If I had to pick a particular WR at Monaco 2020, it would be Warholm in the 400h.

Here are the restriction for Monaco only. Seems like you can get in with a negative COVID test.

http://monacodc.org/covid19.html

I don't know how this all works with flight connections.

They're actually holding meets still?

Genevieve Gregson is on her way from Australia

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Brazier has looked phenomenal in 2020, but it takes a phenomenal athlete to run 1:42.x, let alone the WR. My wager for Monaco is that he guns for 1:41 and fades to 1:42-high FTW, super impressive considering the circumstances of this season.

He ran 1:42.34 last year at the World Championships after running in heats and semis. I think he is faster now. I predict mid 1:41, which will make him the #3 performer ever behind Rudisha and Kipketer.

that would be a good goal.

If he goes for WR in his first race of the season, this is gonna end with 1.43

I’ve seen a lot of runners run their season best in their first race of the year.

In this case it’s late in the year and at a time he would point his training towards peak fitness.

And he did race a 1500 which helps him get into race mode.

This really could be fast.

colorunner123 wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Brazier has looked phenomenal in 2020, but it takes a phenomenal athlete to run 1:42.x, let alone the WR. My wager for Monaco is that he guns for 1:41 and fades to 1:42-high FTW, super impressive considering the circumstances of this season.

He ran 1:42.34 last year at the World Championships after running in heats and semis. I think he is faster now. I predict mid 1:41, which will make him the #3 performer ever behind Rudisha and Kipketer.

I think Brazier is a great runner and should break 1:42 one day, but athletes of his calibre train to be at a peak for the final of a champs, and take rounds into consideration. He was at a peak in Sept/Oct last year, just like Rudisha was in London 2012, running a time which he never bettered in many orchestrated paced race on the circuit. Also remember that Brazier had a purpose made rabbit running at near WR pace (from the start) to follow in Doha, which is rare in championship finals.

I don't know what the 'set up' is for the Monaco race! ? Are they going to have the lights on the inside set for the WR pace, as they did in Oslo (I think it was Oslo)? This is unfair I think, if the case.

You also have to consider that last year and for Monaco, Brazier will be wearing the latest carbon plated Nike spikes, which have been proven to be superior to those worn by Kipketer 20 years ago and certainly those used by Coe and Cruz when running their 1:41s. In addition the Doha and Monaco 'Mondo' tracks are notoriously fast, much faster than the synthetic tracks of 40 years ago.

If Brazier runs a 1:41 in Monaco next month then of course that will put him # 3 on the all time list, but with all the technical advantages (not his fault, obviously) he has at his disposal, it will not make his performance better than those of Coe or Cruz, who were better 800m runners at their peaks, in my opinion. I think he'd have to break 1:41 just to equal the 1:41.7's run on inferior tracks with inferior shoes, almost 40 years ago.

1:41 has been run July 10 or earlier by four different people. Rushisha, Kipketer, Coe and Amos.

Rudisha did it three times himself.

His world record in London was August, not Sep/Oct.

When you look at the PRs of 1:42 runners, the dates they did it are all over the place.

Peter Elliott ran 1:42 in May.

And having no championship this year is even more incentive to not worry about timing your peak fitness for later in the season.

There is plenty of evidence he could run really fast Aug 14.

Star wrote:

I’ve seen a lot of runners run their season best in their first race of the year.

In this case it’s late in the year and at a time he would point his training towards peak fitness.

And he did race a 1500 which helps him get into race mode.

This really could be fast.

It true he should be near peak shape. However you usually need several races when in top shape to make the best time possible. Especially for the 800m where pacing and race rythm is very important.

Star wrote:

1:41 has been run July 10 or earlier by four different people. Rushisha, Kipketer, Coe and Amos.

Rudisha did it three times himself.

His world record in London was August, not Sep/Oct.

When you look at the PRs of 1:42 runners, the dates they did it are all over the place.

Peter Elliott ran 1:42 in May.

And having no championship this year is even more incentive to not worry about timing your peak fitness for later in the season.

There is plenty of evidence he could run really fast Aug 14.

I don't think you've got the point I was making!

Firstly, I was referring to Brazier's World Champs victory last year when mentioning Sept/Oct. Nothing to do with Rudisha!

Secondly, I was responding to a poster who implied that Brazier would automatically be faster now in a one off timed race than after rounds in a Championship final. I was suggesting that this isn't necessarily the case, citing Rudisha as an example, and that sometimes, when the pace is given in a final, you can run faster in a championship race because you tend to be at a season peak.

Thirdly, Elliott's 1:42.97 was basically a 1:43, abd I know Brazier is capable of faster than that.

In summary, I think Brazier is capable of a pb in Monaco, but a 1:41 performance now (2020) is not quite as impressive as a 1:41 from 40 years ago, when they were running on inferior tracks with inferior shoes.