Sweden victorious over COVID-19. Disease goes home devastated.

Hey. Great thinking. Ignore what you see in your own life. Believe what the media tells you. The oligarch owned media. It's not like the elites ever use fear to sell us a bunch of BS that is bad for us.

I've seen the effects of Covid in my own life. It is you that is the conspirator.

No, you go ahead believing what you have personally seen for yourself only. Ignore everything that everyone else tells you.

Is the international space station real? How about the world being round? Maybe the polar ice caps aren't melting at all. Maybe the moon is made out of cheese.

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Thanks for writing this, as many appear to think that the whole lockdown is a black-and-white issue and that Swedes continued to go through their lives without any interruptions and changes.

If you want to see real next-level brainwashing, read the post by “j...ps”.

Yep, I've been hopelessly brainwashed by science. Oh well.

Precious Roy wrote:

Beyond that, there were social distancing guidelines from the government that Swedes took very seriously and actually exceeded in many ways.

According to surveys, 58% of Swedes did not meet with friends and 74% stayed home during their spare time.

In many ways, Swedish voluntary social distancing was more restrictive than many government "stay at home" orders in the US.

And, most importantly, Swedes starting doing social distancing very early in the pandemic...

But if you are using Sweden as an argument against lockdown measures in the US, you will need to find a population that is nearly 100% behind the science and willing to voluntarily social distance in a manner that is basically what has been mandated in many US states.

That is odd. Here is a picture of Swedes enjoying a day at an urban park:

But youre right. As we can clearly see in this picture, Swedes are taking the social distancing guidelines very seriously.

Bullet_Proof wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

Beyond that, there were social distancing guidelines from the government that Swedes took very seriously and actually exceeded in many ways.

According to surveys, 58% of Swedes did not meet with friends and 74% stayed home during their spare time.

That is odd. Here is a picture of Swedes enjoying a day at an urban park:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/494113-sweden-could-reach-herd-immunity-in-weeks-top%3famp

But youre right. As we can clearly see in this picture, Swedes are taking the social distancing guidelines very seriously.

LOL! You are referring to almost three months old story, written before the government made a U-turn with regard to their guidelines and people changed their behavior accordingly.

TheSweeds had no problem listening to the officials saying wear a mask.

As long as we have selfish people who think wearing a mask infringe on their rights, we will never get to their level

The President won't even wear one,

We as a nation, don't stand a chance. The bottom line, Trump won't listen to science and won't listen to his advisors

The man who would be king..

There is zero evidence that people with no symptoms are spreading the virus.

None.

In fact, the Chinese tested this and the result was a resounding no, that asymptomatic people do not spread the disease.

So we should all wear masks why?

It's all bullspit and it's bad for ya.

daswede wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

And another question, do you believe LESS people would have died in NYC if they didn't do any lockdown? Is that really the logic you've come up with? More people would catch it, less hospital space available, equals LESS deaths...?

No. That's insane. You're still missing the plot. NOTHING anyone is going to do is going to change the death toll. The lockdowners will just get it later, at the expense of their economy, plus some people will live out the last few months of their lives in miserable lockdown conditions.

You're missing a point. Health care capacity. The problem with NE states on the front end, especially NY, and Arizona and TX right now are lack of preparation. You need sufficient PPE, ventilators, hospital beds, and just medical staff in general. If the demand surpasses the capacity, deaths that could have been prevented are inevitable.

Plus, lockdowns on the front end allow the country to do more research, come up with therapeutic or preventative medicine, and manufacture medical supplies ahead of time. Before a larger portion of the population gets infected.

I thunk wrote:

There is zero evidence that people with no symptoms are spreading the virus.

None.

In fact, the Chinese tested this and the result was a resounding no, that asymptomatic people do not spread the disease.

So we should all wear masks why?

It's all bullspit and it's bad for ya.

You are spreading false information . Are you in the orange man administration.

Demographics play a big role in covid mortality. Compared to adjacent Norway, Sweden has millions more refugees. Also, 21% of Swedes are over 65, compared to only 6% for Norway, a factor of 3.5x.

Taiwan has had 0 new local cases in nearly 100 days.

People wear masks. All people. Everywhere. Events have been cancelled and school sheds were adjusted as has been the case in most other places. Quarantines for people coming into the country. And that's about all.

If you want to call Sweden "successful," that's fine. However, to suggest that other simple measures cannot be successful as well is not supported by all of the evidence.

The country I want know about is GREECE. They have tons of tourism, are well-known for cultural gregariousness (like the hard-hit Italy and Spain), are on the front lines of the refugee crisis, but are at the bottom of Europe in deaths/million. They appeared to have restricted heavily early on (late March), but now are among the least restrictive countries.

Maybe they were somehow better protected due to their climate?

NC Runner 34 wrote:

daswede wrote:

No. That's insane. You're still missing the plot. NOTHING anyone is going to do is going to change the death toll. The lockdowners will just get it later, at the expense of their economy, plus some people will live out the last few months of their lives in miserable lockdown conditions.

You're missing a point. Health care capacity. The problem with NE states on the front end, especially NY, and Arizona and TX right now are lack of preparation. You need sufficient PPE, ventilators, hospital beds, and just medical staff in general. If the demand surpasses the capacity, deaths that could have been prevented are inevitable.

Plus, lockdowns on the front end allow the country to do more research, come up with therapeutic or preventative medicine, and manufacture medical supplies ahead of time. Before a larger portion of the population gets infected.

The only reason the NE states were overloaded is they ignorantly exposed the most vulnerable population to COVID in a bad way causing Thousands of nursing home infections and deaths. they were not overloaded with young healthy people in the hospital. Texas and Arizona are not overloaded. This is a media lie. Look at the actual data from the hospitals. They have plenty of beds. The way available beds are being measured has been changed to mislead. They are breaking the beds into phases. When they say TMC is full it means their phase 1 is full. They actually have space for 3 times the COVID patients they currently have, see this from their website.

The deaths of thousands are on the hands of Cuomo and De Blasio

YMMV wrote:

The country I want know about is GREECE. They have tons of tourism, are well-known for cultural gregariousness (like the hard-hit Italy and Spain), are on the front lines of the refugee crisis, but are at the bottom of Europe in deaths/million. They appeared to have restricted heavily early on (late March), but now are among the least restrictive countries.

Maybe they were somehow better protected due to their climate?

And what about Thailand, they have not had a single death since June 2 and only 2 deaths since May 9. Yet they are a country of 70 million and Bangkok is a huge city, larger and more densely populated than any in Europe. Also, Bangkok was the most visited city on earth in 2019 with the largest number coming from China

We can look upon the figures of dead people because of covid-19 up to now in my country without costly total lockdowns and not wearing masks.. The figure is 0.0005 "units" out of

10500000 people in Sweden . The same as 0.05 % !!Of course really sad and terrible for the victims and their relatives , but we must stick to the proportions and then note that Sweden

actually made a good decision when no vaccin was available.

Denmark has tested at a rate three times as high as Sweden, yet has announced about 1/6 the cases.

So, Sweden is hardly testing. Sweden hardly social distanced as much as precious roy was saying. The country has 556 deaths per million, fifth worst in the world (5,619 deaths, ten yesterday) and soon to pass Italy for 4th, as opposed to Denmark at 105 (close behind its neighbor, Germany, at 109). Norway's only tested a bit more than its neighbor, Sweden, but has had about 1/7 the cases and has a death rate of just 47. Finland has a rate of 59 deaths per million.

Finland and Norway have more or less shut down COVID completely, while Denmark has a trickle of cases. You cannot look at that information and not think that Sweden did an absolutely disastrous job of this. There are plenty of examples of countries that did it right from the beginning or did it right after being quickly deluged with cases. Sweden is not and never has been one of them.