Sweden victorious over COVID-19. Disease goes home devastated.

American in Stockholm here. I skimmed through this thread and just adding my 2¢.

Definitely, there is more social trust here, which I think is because it is a more socialistic system.

I think one of the problems with the nursing homes is that quite a lot of the care workers are unskilled and only under temporary contracts, so a lot of them can't really afford to stay home if they're sick. Also, my guess and from what I've seen, a lot of the workers are immigrants, whose communities were more adversely affected by the virus. So, it doesn't really seem surprising.

daswede wrote:

Really proud of Sweden. It's good to see at least a few people have logical reasoning and common sense still.

"This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.

“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.” "

LOL x 1000.

Hey OP, tell us how Trump knows more about Covid-19 than Dr Fauci. Can't wait!

I would imagine they can go back to normal life now while the rest the world continues this social distancing nonsense. These countries that had lockdowns will see future breakouts causing shutdowns. Impossible for it not to happen with a virus you can be asymptomatic with for several weeks. Plus they won't have to worry about visitors causing mass breakouts since they have herd immunity.

Or we can continue to pretend COVID deaths are more tragic than other deaths and the shutdowns are not causing massive economic and social problems that have nothing to do with COVID. A huge amount the US excess death right now is due to people being on edge due to the hysteria created or fear of going to seek medical treatment for non-COVID things out of catching COVID. People don't want to accept that most of the COVID death are either people on their last legs who likely would be dead already even if COVID didn't exist, see nursing homes and other people in elder care, or COVID was nonfactor or comorbidity to a serious issue, see 90% of New Yorkers who died had some comorbidity.

trollism wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Watching the leftists backstab against Sweden, formerly one of their "socialist utopias" for daring to buck the totalitarian tendencies of the neo-Marxist love of covid restrictions, is like watching a viper bend back and bite itself, writhing to come up with its venomous narrative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z34ILhFs-xs&t=311s

On this site, the people who have been getting all hot and bothered over Sweden in the recent years are people like yourself, Mr 2600 and Hardloper decrying the fact that it was once a white paradise and is now full of crime and murder.

So how did that big immigration influx work out when the corona fatality numbers started coming in?

ex-runner wrote:

daswede wrote:

No. That's insane. You're still missing the plot. NOTHING anyone is going to do is going to change the death toll. The lockdowners will just get it later, at the expense of their economy, plus some people will live out the last few months of their lives in miserable lockdown conditions.

If everyone catches it at the same time they would be coughing themselves to death in the corridors.

But thats the thing. Even when people are catching it, theyre not coughing themselves to death. They catch it and then a few weeks later they......wait for it........recover.

Look no further than Tom Hanks.

Or they had no idea they had it and never would have known without the test, see almost every NBA, NFL, or college athlete whos tested positive. Except for Rudy Golbert, he had the sniffles for a few days, what a tragedy.

ex-runner wrote:

Americans in general have an extremely low sense of social responsibility. The opposite of countries such as Japan and Scandinavian countries.

People will do anything in the US to believe that as an individual they have no impact.

This is seen in the response to global warming before and this virus now.

Americans will tell themselves repeatedly that nothing is their fault, they have no responsibility to do anything about any issues and that the issues don't even exist anyway.

That is why the virus is decimating the Great USA.

daswede wrote:

No deaths and 31 new cases.

Both stats have been falling for some time but would you know it by reading the media? Coverage of their recovery is virtually nonexistent.

The most recent story I could find was this hit-piece by Business Insider: "Sweden: Dramatic drop in deaths doesn't mean plan worked."

It sure as hell did work.

As we've seen with every other country now, lockdowns do not work. This all allegedly started from one case, so all you need is one case to spin things back up. New Zealand in particular is going to be completely devastated after they destroy their economy by clamming up, and then the kiwis still catch COVID and other countries ban them from international travel later.

Really proud of Sweden. It's good to see at least a few people have logical reasoning and common sense still.

well now that evidence is showing that antibodies only last 3 months or so........they haven't really gained much have they?

Finland and Norway had 10% of the deaths that Sweden did and in 3 months they will all be in the same boat...no immunity.

So they all end up in the same place, except Sweden paid 10x the going rate to get there.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Or we can continue to pretend COVID deaths are more tragic than other deaths and the shutdowns are not causing massive economic and social problems that have nothing to do with COVID.

The Democrats and their media cohorts will continue pretending this as long as they can get away with, because the economic and social problems are the only way they can win the election.

victory!! wrote:

daswede wrote:

Sweden with no lockdown at 5536 deaths with 10MM pop compared to NYC with extensive lockdowns at 32,065 deaths with <9MM pop? I'll take those numbers all day.

Go Sweden!

Let us compare to Sweden's nearest neighbours: Denmark, Norway and Finland.

Sweden: 578 deaths per million

Denmark: 108 deaths per million

Finland: 57 deaths per million

Norway: 48 deaths per million.

What a victory for Sweden.

Bigger number is better

Bad Wigins wrote:

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Or we can continue to pretend COVID deaths are more tragic than other deaths and the shutdowns are not causing massive economic and social problems that have nothing to do with COVID.

The Democrats and their media cohorts will continue pretending this as long as they can get away with, because the economic and social problems are the only way they can win the election.

lol..the CLOWN checks in!

kinda funny that here in Mid-July you are posting on a thread about a disease that you said would be gone by April....

Bad Wigins wrote:

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Or we can continue to pretend COVID deaths are more tragic than other deaths and the shutdowns are not causing massive economic and social problems that have nothing to do with COVID.

The Democrats and their media cohorts will continue pretending this as long as they can get away with, because the economic and social problems are the only way they can win the election.

rights......it's all a big Democrat conspiracy......now could you please explain why this conspiracy exists in the other 200 countries?

YMMV wrote:

Watching the leftists backstab against Sweden, formerly one of their "socialist utopias" for daring to buck the totalitarian tendencies of the neo-Marxist love of covid restrictions, is like watching a viper bend back and bite itself, writhing to come up with its venomous narrative.

Wow....take a breather old man....you sound insane.

Seriously.

daswede wrote:

No deaths and 31 new cases.

That is what Worldometers was showing for 7/13/2020, but they've updated that. Sweden seems to be slow to report data, even when it's not the weekend.

That 31 new cases is really 174 for 7/13/2020. The following day was 411. And they did report 1 death on 7/13, and 7/14, and 10 deaths on 7/15.

Looks like Sweden is on summer vacation at the moment, including those that update the COVID-19 data. Worldometers was showing a daily update note for Sweden until June 26. Then it skipped to June 29, and July 2, the last note.

Found this:

"Well, they’re not at all going down as radically as they are in countries that had lockdowns. I mean, Sweden still has higher rates than surrounding countries and many other countries. But it is going down. There could be different explanations for this, because it’s still spreading a lot among the young. I’m speculating that one of the reasons it’s somewhat going down is that health care facilities’ routines are much better worked out, so it’s not striking the elderly to the same extent.

Another reason it’s going down is because you have to know what happens in Sweden come midsummer. From June 20 until Aug. 1, Sweden is a summer vacation place. That means people are in the country houses, they are not working. There is much more social distancing for natural reasons right now. So that’s another aspect."

why we out here doin' karaoke? wrote:

lol..the CLOWN checks in!

kinda funny that here in Mid-July you are posting on a thread about a disease that you said would be gone by April....

https://imgur.com/a/W9ZZ7rV

It might not be exactly gone, but it should be clear by now that the main components are politics and mind games, the actual medical problem is, like, secondary. Let's compare the US and Russia. Both countries are large, have densely populated cities and rural regions, both have a moronic uneducated majority in their population structure. Healthcare system is fucked in either country, albeit in quite different ways.

The US: left-leaning Democrats have more control over media; generally the press is free - and they get more ad revenue from spreading bad news about impending disaster, so they prefer those. Result: according to the media reports, COVID is raging. People are wearing masks outside and yell at those who don't. Running events are canceled well into 2021.

Russia: the media is controlled by right-leaning Putin. There's some censorship and a lot of self-censorship. There was an election on July 1 and the government needed as much people as possible to vote despite the pandemic concerns. Result: according to the media reports, COVID is on a steep decline and is generally considered a thing of the past by now. There has never been a moment when majority would wear masks in the street; by now those who do wear a mask outside look a bit like weirdos. Running events are set to resume in August.

I highly doubt that the actual situation with the spread of the disease is fundamentally different between the two countries. Being in Russia now I don't really mind the state being overly optimistic about it though. Getting back to business as usual feels good.

Right, sorry. I was just listening to totally unreliable sources like the CDC. I forgot that we're not supposed to listen to scientists. Oops. My bad.

I can't speak for other people who listened to scientists, but I do have thoughts of my own, and at the moment a majority of those thoughts are something along the lines of hoping the people who are ignoring logic by refusing to wear masks and social distance will eventually realise that they're wrong. Otherwise this situation will only get worse.

Anyway, yes, I will "regurgitate" what the CDC and WHO and other highly-qualified scientific institutions say about a pandemic, because those people are the only ones really educated enough on the matter to pass judgement. The government and random people on Facebook, conversely, are probably the least qualified people I could think of.

It's sad and pretty concerning how fast misinformation and opposition to science seems to have spread in the last few months.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Or they had no idea they had it and never would have known without the test, see almost every NBA, NFL, or college athlete whos tested positive. Except for Rudy Golbert, he had the sniffles for a few days, what a tragedy.

Marcus Smart not only never had any symptoms he was never shown a positive test result.

Was just told over the phone he tested positive.

if the MSM was not screaming it's the end of the world 24/7 for months, we would not even know there was a virus around

My God. The level of brainwashing.