Did Fauci break Hippocratic oath?

More misinformation.

Your own source says the COVID patients went to the nursing home only after a hospital stay lengthy enough to no longer be contagious, while in the same period, there were 20,000 infected home staffers. Furthermore, guidelines said that the COVID patients should be isolated, and that many of the nursing homes already had infected patients before the new arrival of returning COVID patients.

Trump did not shut down the country, but left that duty to the state governors. Democrats and Republicans alike hated Trump before the 2016 election results. The Republicans were weak enough to let Trump hijack the party, and too weak to stand up against him for our country.

Politics and elections aside, here is a brief list of facts: Trump is a self-admitted cheerleader, rather than the leader we needed, he ignored years of warnings to be prepared, he shelved the Obama administration's guidelines for pandemic preparedness, and disbanded the office dedicated for pandemic preparedness, he shelved and ignored CDC guidelines for re-opening, he denied there was a pandemic (before a complete 180 where he said he was calling it a pandemic before anyone else), he said it was under control, and would disappear like magic, he recommended drugs based on rumors, and recommended injecting disinfectants to a public looking for clear guidance from its leader, he confused the message on masks when the CDC guideline was clear, he encouraged states to re-open prematurely, etc.

New York is under control now, thanks to aggressive action by Cuomo. The runaway cases now in the remaining states are 100% on Trump.

highhoppingworm wrote:

Here is what I don’t understand...

Trump is the chief executive of the United States of America for the next few months. Just as the chief executive of a commercial enterprise is ultimately held accountable for the performance of that enterprise, Trump should be held ultimately accountable for the federal response to COVID. Casting blame on his own task force, or frankly anyone involved in the federal response, does nothing but highlight his ineffectiveness in his role.

Leadership is about accountability. You don’t get to claim the victories and deflect the losses.

Can someone please explain to me how Fauci being mistaken vindicates Trump supporters in any way here?

Fauci wasn't mistaken. Trump is to blame for his complete failure at virtually every possible step.

I’m actually not debating the Fauci topic though I tend to agree with you. You are missing the point.

I simply fail to understand how any rationale person could feel that the president somehow is on better footing if his own task WAS generating misinformation. It seems so contrary to how any leader should be evaluated it’s like I’m living in bizarro world.

Then again, I guess we are living in 2020 America right now.

riverhorse wrote:

He admitted to being untruthful about masks and it caused harm.

You are a loyal Trump minion who will always follow the marching orders of your beloved leader. Its endearing. If you look at the past 4 months or so, Trump has been the source of so much very harmful information regarding Covid. He basically got a large portion of the country to feel Covid was nothing to be concerned about and that people really didn't have to take safety precautions. Thousands have died because of Trump's lies.

But Trump decides that he needs to character assassin the one person who tells the truth even though Trump doesn't want the truth. Trump's minions understand what Trump wants.

Here's where you (and those like you step in). So you ignore all of Trump's lies and find something Fauci said early on that was wrong and you ignore the great service he has been to this country. You do this because your beloved leader has indicated to you that is what you need to do.

So you do it thinking you have a clever angle to start a thread to get everyone to discuss Fauci's lie. Its very endearing the loyalty that you have to Trump. Your leader would be proud of you.

Not good for the country though.

highhoppingworm wrote:

I’m actually not debating the Fauci topic though I tend to agree with you. You are missing the point.

I simply fail to understand how any rationale person could feel that the president somehow is on better footing if his own task WAS generating misinformation. It seems so contrary to how any leader should be evaluated it’s like I’m living in bizarro world.

Then again, I guess we are living in 2020 America right now.

You are right -- I got the point, and I was agreeing with you.

Fauci was part of the Trump administration's Task Force.

If Fauci got anything wrong (hypothetically), it is still ultimately Trump's responsibility.

Canada with 321 new cases Friday. U.S. with over 68,000. Only way Trump can defend his handling of the pandemic is by denying reality. End of story.

rekrunner wrote:

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New York is under control now, thanks to aggressive action by Cuomo. The runaway cases now in the remaining states are 100% on Trump.

Cuomo just the other day (7/10) said the covid is coming back to NY State. He can "feel" it.

Andrew Cuomo said on Friday in a WAMC interview. ... has real trouble — it's going to come back here," he said in the interview. ... I can feel it coming.

This is the narrative.

NY, MA, etc. will be heading back into lock-down

That's not what Fauci says in the interview he gave with "The Street" conducted on June 12th (at 2:45 of Del's video). He clearly states the reason why he (and other health officials) discouraged masks months early was because they were in "very short supply" and wanted them "available" for all the healthcare workers to protect themselves against people who were infected with virus already in this country. So, the "same leaky drug store masks, and poorly fitted N-95 masks, do not do much to protect healthy people, and can have unintended consequences," would have been good enough for the healthcare workers exposed to infected people but not for the general public? ?.

Please stop spinning this rekrunner - if he didn't lie he grossly mislead.

On March 25, the NY Health Commissioner, Dr. Zucker, issued a directive that required nursing homes to take recovering coronavirus patients. But as the article stated, "several relatives, patient advocates and nursing administrators who spoke to the AP at the time blamed the policy for helping to spread the virus among the state’s most fragile residents." Cuomo, under this pressure, reversed the directive but not until May 10 - a whole 6 weeks later! Zucker was appointed by Cuomo - he could have overruled him much earlier. When watching those daily Cuomo briefs back in March & April, all he talked about was running out of ventilators and wanting to protect the old folks in the nursing homes. Lol.

You're right - the governors have full authority over their states and only one, South Dakota, didn't enact stay-at-home orders as well as not shutting down non-essential businesses. However, Trump did present the "30 days to slow the spread" protocol, and social distancing measures to be followed. He didn't discourage the Republican governors from not enacting stay-at-home orders and the shutdown of non-essential businesses.

You mean "The Swamp" didn't want to stand up against him? Lol. And I wonder why - after he made a mockery of them in the Republican primary debates...no surprises there. Trump annihilated them in the primaries with 58% of the delegates and 45% of the popular vote (Cruz - 22%/25%, Rubio - 7%/11%). Americans were sick & tired of "The Swamp" BS - they expressed their frustration at the polls.

The runaway cases now are not on Trump. And for NY: maybe for awhile but in the mean time the rest of state and NYC has gone to pot! NYC is unrecognizable. Crime rates, particularly violent crime, has exploded like never seen before! People are moving out by the large numbers. Many businesses are looking to high-tail it out of there also. The "Big Apple" has now become the Rotten Apple. ? The Democratic governor of that state and the Democratic mayor of NYC have ruined it!

Fauci converted from being a doctor to a politician over 35 years ago. Nobody should trust his "scientific" opinion as anything other than politically motivated excrement. Anyone who is close friends with the Cuomo's is a liar. There you go, stop being stupid and please talk to real and active scientists and doctor's if you want useful information rather than propaganda.

Fauci is like the WHO. They couldn't have been more wrong but still are the babyfaces vs the big bad

Trump has been the total clown show from the beginning. He was so wrong about so much. The very sad part is that his minions believed him and they still won't blame him for not rising to the occasion to address a federal emergency.

It's becoming a clown show wrote:

That's not what Fauci says in the interview he gave with "The Street" conducted on June 12th (at 2:45 of Del's video). He clearly states the reason why he (and other health officials) discouraged masks months early was because they were in "very short supply" and wanted them "available" for all the healthcare workers to protect themselves against people who were infected with virus already in this country. So, the "same leaky drug store masks, and poorly fitted N-95 masks, do not do much to protect healthy people, and can have unintended consequences," would have been good enough for the healthcare workers exposed to infected people but not for the general public? ?.

Please stop spinning this rekrunner - if he didn't lie he grossly mislead.

Please stop doubling down on misinformation and ignorance, and expand your search for information back to original and complete sources.

Get rid of this false idea that the Street Interview said anything different than what they were saying back in May and April and March and months earlier.

For example, look at 60 minutes interview on March 8, before any widespread virus outbreak, when the risk of getting infected was small. He says:

"masks are important for someone who is infected, to prevent them from infecting someone else"

"masks are not providing the perfect protection that people think it is"

"often there are unintended consequences, people keep fiddling with them, and touching their face"

"when you think masks, you should think of healthcare providers needing them, and people who are ill"

"it could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it"

You got one more thing wrong, it's important to distinguish between the various kinds of masks:

Leaky drug store masks are not good enough for healthcare workers exposed to infected people.

Healthcare workers need well fitted N-95 masks and comparable medical grade PPE.

The concern of PPE shortage for healthcare workers did not extended to leaky drug store masks or cloth face coverings.

The general public could wear leaky drug store masks and cloth face coverings, but this was not recommended (nor discouraged) as they do not offer much protection, for the wearer.

Furthemore, before mid-March, the virus was not widespread, and the risk of becoming infected was small.

They did not want the public to buy N-95 masks, because fitting them is not easy, and medical workers would run out.

You can find all this explained again by reading what "factcheck.org" wrote on April 6th, two months before the Street interview, just after the change in the CDC recommendation for cloth coverings:

Here is what "factcheck.org" wrote on May 19th, one month before the Street Interview, pre de-bunking any notion that the Street Interview contained any lies:

So stop pretending that the Street Interview said anything new, that wasn't already widespread public knowledge for several months.

If you were grossly mislead, don't blame Fauci for that.

Unklear wrote:

Cuomo just the other day (7/10) said the covid is coming back to NY State. He can "feel" it.

Andrew Cuomo said on Friday in a WAMC interview. ... has real trouble — it's going to come back here," he said in the interview. ... I can feel it coming.

This is the narrative.

NY, MA, etc. will be heading back into lock-down

Yes, New York is at risk again because most of the other states did not learn the lessons.

This high risk will continue until there is a vaccine.

This question, by the way, has nothing to do with Trump.

Fauci LIED. He admitted to lying. His lies put millions of people at risk and allowed the virus to spread uncontrollably in the early stages. Those are FACTS.

You don't have to pick Team Fauci or Team Trump. If you look at it objectively, Fauci is no hero. In fact, he might be the biggest villain.

Trump handling of this has been wonderful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB8icFsfJe0

Consistent and concise, well done.

Looks like you forgot your original points.

Yes it could be the order. Your source gave several reasons why that was unlikely. Or it could be the 20000 staff workers, and other infections not a result of that order, according to your source.

You said we should thank Trump for shutting down the country, but he didn't. He just stood on the sidelines shouting "go Team!".

You suggested Democrats hated Trump since the election. That was wrong on two counts, as it started long before that, and was not just Democrats.

Trump's lengthy inaction and long delayed lmited action is almost completely the reason for all of the US cases and deaths. The first wave resurgence is completely a result of Trump pressuring states to re-open early.

NJ fan wrote:

This question, by the way, has nothing to do with Trump.

Fauci LIED. He admitted to lying. His lies put millions of people at risk and allowed the virus to spread uncontrollably in the early stages. Those are FACTS.

You don't have to pick Team Fauci or Team Trump. If you look at it objectively, Fauci is no hero. In fact, he might be the biggest villain.

Except that Fauci did not lie, and did not admit to lying. Those are not FACTS.

He said the same thing they were consistently saying for months.

This is not debatable -- do some original investigation.

In any case, masks are secondary protection to the primary protection of social distancing.

You need to take your head out of the sand, my friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2MmX2U2V3c