Ivy League Postpones/ Cancels Fall Sports

cheesewiz wrote:

They’ve also only been playing for just about a month. Wait till school starts again and you have 1000s of kids sitting and walking next to each other for hours a day. Everyone knows that sports are not the issue except for contact and close quarters sports, it’s the spectating and daily activities that come with sports that make them complicated, too complicated for kids that are also trying to study and life with families too handle. This isn’t the NHL where you can lock players away in hotel rooms and only let them out to play sports.

Q Do you know how this disease doesn't impact kids?

How many kids do you think have died from it?

As of 6/17 103,000+ Americans had died of Covid. 26 were under the age of 15. For reference 700 kids DROWNED under the age of 15.

WAY more kids have died of flu this year than COVID.

26/100,000 under age of 15. This disease does not impact young kids. Ok that's half the year. Double it. You're still 15x more likely to drown under the age of 15 than die of COVID. Put kids back in school.

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wejo wrote:

cheesewiz wrote:

The issue is, if a player tests positive the team withdraws from competition for 14 days.

Why and where? In English soccer if a player test positive he is removed from the team. The team continues on.

England's death rate was greater than US.

But I heard of a high school today in CT for summer school where one employee tested positive so whole school shutdown. If that's the standard nothing will continue. I think MLB and others have said isolate the sick person don't shut everything down.

In Australia if a student test positive the school will shut down for a few days to clean and most are tested.

Bro... it’s worse than the flu. And it’s the families & school staff that also is considered. For example our child’s school district has 16,000 students. His school alone has more than 3000. The school board voted to start the year distance learning & transition to a hybrid model when allowed. One member stated he was concerned with that many people and the health of others, in board member was worried about liability if they go back.

We are talking about kids here. We are talking about their teachers and support staff. Rushing back to ignore what is going on around you doesn’t solve anything. Because of this sports are not happening either.

imconfused wrote:

Bro... it’s worse than the flu. And it’s the families & school staff that also is considered. For example our child’s school district has 16,000 students. His school alone has more than 3000. The school board voted to start the year distance learning & transition to a hybrid model when allowed. One member stated he was concerned with that many people and the health of others, in board member was worried about liability if they go back.

We are talking about kids here. We are talking about their teachers and support staff. Rushing back to ignore what is going on around you doesn’t solve anything. Because of this sports are not happening either.

For KIDS it's not worse than the Flu. Also kids don't seem to infect adults. So going back to school is a minimal risk. I'm talking elementary school for sure. High school might be a bit different but considering we don't know if a vaccine will do anything for this. It makes sense for all younger people to go back to living their lives as largely as possible.

The Total Pussification of America!!! Embarrassing how people just let the looney left do their deed for Power!!! They don’t care one bit about the people. But millions just let them do it??? Un real man... Covid is made up 100%!!! The death rate for young people is 0.01%!!!!! Flu is MUCH higher!!! Wanna tell me what is going on here? POLITICS! Sickening

In case anyone is wondering, the Big East will also cancel eventually, or at least teams based around New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. This was a government based push and not necessarily a decision by the conferences themselves.

Hard to say no when the state government, backed by the national one, suggests you do something.

Iowa high school sports. But like I said, 500 teams are competing while only about 10 have had to suspend. And they are only suspending if it is a coach or player. Summer practice for football and XC and basketball is also taking place. Members of some of those programs have testet positive while the same schools' baseball and softball continue competing. So having a kid in the school test positive will not shut down sports in that school.

The state has a plan to test all athletes for antibodies so that they could all continue competing even if athletes on the team test positive. Only the ones without the antibodies would take a pause.

where in the world did you come up with this: "Also kids don't seem to infect adults"

The WHO says that asymptomatic people don't spread the disease. 95% of children are asymptomatic.

unhappy about this wrote:

Death rate is now lower than the flu.

Hysteria will kill more than Covid.

As you said "Wrong"

If we estimate that actual Covid 19 cases are 10x current positives - we are looking at 20 - 25 million people that have or had the virus. Last year 35 million people got the flu with about 35K fatalities. - so (and these numbers have been consistent for a while) Covid 19 is probably between 5x and 10x deadlier than the flu and that is despite all the precautions that have been taken. Oh and by the way that is only deaths you are talking about, flu generally does not leave lasting problems once you get over it, Covid 19 has much greater remaining problems to those that survive. Once you get treatment optimized it may get down to 2x or 3x deadlier but hospitalizations and other issues will still be far greater (and much more expensive) than the flu - so please just stop it with this nonsense.

Clearly, you've never put the kind of time in that would allow you the privilege of competing for a Division 1 program. Student/Athletes in the Ivies have oftentimes spent as much time working on their sport as their academics. College competition is the brass ring they've been reaching for over the course of many years. If grabbing hold of it means taking a few months off from school life, why not do it? You've got your whole life to work but just one four year shot to go to college and enjoy the payoff of competing at the level that you aspire to.

wejo wrote:

cheesewiz wrote:

The issue is, if a player tests positive the team withdraws from competition for 14 days.

Why and where?

Most schools don’t even drug test teachers because they can’t afford it. They cannot support any type of testing system. The size of each schools “bubble” is likely 10x that of a professional team depending on the school population and size of each family.

On top of that, schools are much more risk averse than just about any other profession. You do not want to be responsible for the downfall of hundreds of children and families.

I don’t see non-professional sports happening (but I hope they do).

One more death nail on the coffin of collegiate Fall sports occurred last night when Ohio State University shut down ALL of their sports teams' practices and closed facilities for the time being. They reported these closures because of an unspecified number of positive COVID tests among their athletes.

If one of the professional football factories closes down the whole shebang now, after having brought kids back in for practices, and if they refuse to disclose how many are testing positive, that tells me that the challenges for Fall are going to become insurmountable.

-Also, we do NOT know that kids don't transmit the virus.

-Also, asymptomatic spread is considered one the reasons for such aggressive community spread of the virus.

-Also, there are increasing reports of ongoing neurological problems in those recovering from even mild cases of CORONA.

-Also, case numbers are exploding across the country, right now, this week.

If anything, we are headed toward more stay-at-home and other aggressive measures as we move toward Fall, NOT more opening.

Stan Ford wrote:

The WHO says that asymptomatic people don't spread the disease. 95% of children are asymptomatic.

The WHO technical lead who made that statement backtracked and said "I used the phrase ‘very rare’ and I think that it’s a misunderstanding to state the asymptomatic transmission globally is very rare. What I was referring to was a subset of studies. I was also referring to some data that isn’t published". I can't quite figure out what she's referring to, but the WHO in general has a tendency to equate "lack of evidence" with "evidence of nonexistence".

Intuitively, it makes sense that asymptomatic transmission might happen less - viral load apparently peaks right at the onset of symptoms, for those who develop symptoms. Recent models estimate, to the WHO's contrary, transmission during presymptomatic stages and in asymptomatic cases accounts for 50% of infections. (

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Also, there was an Italian town where everyone was tested in February-ish and 40% of the positive tests were asymptomatic, so it's hard to imagine getting up to 40% asymptomatic infected and asymptomatic people being a transmission dead end (

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wejo wrote:

cheesewiz wrote:

The issue is, if a player tests positive the team withdraws from competition for 14 days.

Why and where? In English soccer if a player test positive he is removed from the team. The team continues on.

England's death rate was greater than US.

But I heard of a high school today in CT for summer school where one employee tested positive so whole school shutdown. If that's the standard nothing will continue. I think MLB and others have said isolate the sick person don't shut everything down.

In Iowa, the same state where kids are playing baseball. If any kid or coach tests positive, the team can’t compete for 14 days. Some teams have already had to sit out of competition.

No school district is going to allow school and sports to continue if a mass breakout occurs at the school.

And for all the people talking about death rate blah blah blah. It does not matter one bit. Everyone knows the vast majority of kids are not vulnerable. The issue is that these kids are interacting with their families who are going to work, could potentially spread it to coworkers and thus the infections continue.

Israel was doing amazing on coronavirus lockdown and contamination control. Once they opened schools back up kids got infected and everything went out the window. Once the academic year starts and schools are putting thousands of kids together for 7 hours inside, then sending many of those kids to play sports we are going to see another outbreak. If a kid tests positive/answers yes to the questions schools are asking they will not be allowed to go to school. Schools have policies in place from the state that mandate the amount of students that must be at school for it to count as a school day. If an outbreak at a school happens and suddenly 30-40 percent of the school is not there, they won’t be able to count it as a school day. Hence online learning being a more popular option amongst school boards and administrators, they won’t have to keep pushing school days back because too many kids are sick

In the CDC data posted, the ratio of deaths from influenza versus COVID-19 only invert after the age of 15 and get progressively worse as age increases. The level of deaths from both have been suppressed due to distancing, mask use and other measures. Only a small portion of the population has had the disease, at this point.

Stan Ford wrote:

The WHO says that asymptomatic people don't spread the disease. 95% of children are asymptomatic.

One, the WHO has been wrong on just about everything here so what the WHO says doesn't really matter. Two, the WHO is wrong again here because asymptomatic people DO spread it. That's why it continues to spread. If only people with symptoms spread it, then this would have been stopped a long time ago. There is zero basis to claim that someone who is infected but who doesn't have symptoms isn't going to spread it by coughing on someone else. Do you really think that someone with no symptoms has a special version of the virus that cannot infect others?

A reasonable plan that could be attempted in other states

https://local12.com/news/local/lawsuit-leads-to-one-week-test-run-of-sports-in-ohio