ANOTHER murderous cop: I wonder why no one's protesting over this one?

SDSU Aztec wrote:

under a bridge wrote:

Why did people protest George Floyd’s death and not John Crawford’s?

You don't know how you would react to Floyd's death if you were a black person. I've always heard about black drivers being pulled over by police for no apparent reason or black people in general being harassed. You don't have the same perspective.

If you want to protest over what happened to Crawford, no one is stopping you.

You did not get my point and lashed out reflexively. Take a couple deep breaths.

Imagine turning useless and incompetent cops into a race war instead of reforming police education.

the249kilometrist wrote:

Imagine turning useless and incompetent cops into a race war instead of reforming police education.

Imagine the increased carnage and crime with less useless and incompetent cops. All of the police education in the World will not change a thing when people continue to use drugs and are aggressive and resisting arrest when confronted by the police.

open your eyes wrote:

the249kilometrist wrote:

Imagine turning useless and incompetent cops into a race war instead of reforming police education.

Imagine the increased carnage and crime with less useless and incompetent cops. All of the police education in the World will not change a thing when people continue to use drugs and are aggressive and resisting arrest when confronted by the police.

I completely disagree, but this the crux of the issue.

Another Option wrote:

open your eyes wrote:

Imagine the increased carnage and crime with less useless and incompetent cops. All of the police education in the World will not change a thing when people continue to use drugs and are aggressive and resisting arrest when confronted by the police.

I completely disagree, but this the crux of the issue.

So you really think Mike Brown, George Floyd, Eric Garner, Ahmaud Arbery, and Rashaud Brooks would have still been killed even if they complied and didn't resist arrest?

open your eyes wrote:

Another Option wrote:

I completely disagree, but this the crux of the issue.

So you really think Mike Brown, George Floyd, Eric Garner, Ahmaud Arbery, and Rashaud Brooks would have still been killed even if they complied and didn't resist arrest?

Arbery didn't resist arrest.

I know that at least a couple of them would have been alive, same as Tamir Rice, John Crawford, Breonna Taylor, and Philando Castile were it not for encountering inexcusably terrible police offers.

open your eyes wrote:

Another Option wrote:

I completely disagree, but this the crux of the issue.

So you really think Mike Brown, George Floyd, Eric Garner, Ahmaud Arbery, and Rashaud Brooks would have still been killed even if they complied and didn't resist arrest?

Remind me which police force arrested Ahmaud Arbery?

your parents wrote:

open your eyes wrote:

So you really think Mike Brown, George Floyd, Eric Garner, Ahmaud Arbery, and Rashaud Brooks would have still been killed even if they complied and didn't resist arrest?

Arbery didn't resist arrest.

I know that at least a couple of them would have been alive, same as Tamir Rice, John Crawford, Breonna Taylor, and Philando Castile were it not for encountering inexcusably terrible police offers.

I missed the part of the Ahmaud Arbery video where he explained why he was trespassing when confronted by the neighbors, and you must have missed the part where he charged a guy holding a shotgun and tried to wrestle it away from him? I'm not familiar with the others, but most seem to be gun/drug/alcohol and resisting arrest related. Is there one that you listed that that isn't the case?

Casual Impartial Observer wrote:

open your eyes wrote:

So you really think Mike Brown, George Floyd, Eric Garner, Ahmaud Arbery, and Rashaud Brooks would have still been killed even if they complied and didn't resist arrest?

Remind me which police force arrested Ahmaud Arbery?

I believe it was Brunswick PD. Once for having a gun at a high school basketball game and for stealing from a Walmart.

open your eyes wrote:

your parents wrote:

Arbery didn't resist arrest.

I know that at least a couple of them would have been alive, same as Tamir Rice, John Crawford, Breonna Taylor, and Philando Castile were it not for encountering inexcusably terrible police offers.

I missed the part of the Ahmaud Arbery video where he explained why he was trespassing when confronted by the neighbors, and you must have missed the part where he charged a guy holding a shotgun and tried to wrestle it away from him? I'm not familiar with the others, but most seem to be gun/drug/alcohol and resisting arrest related. Is there one that you listed that that isn't the case?

You can't resist arrest from someone who has no capability to arrest you.

Arbery tried to defend himself from lunatics that were chasing him and hit him with their truck. Clearly you missed a lot, both in that case and the others I listed that don't fall within your description.

Tamir Rice -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice

John Crawford -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_John_Crawford_III

Breonna Taylor -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Breonna_Taylor

Philando Castile -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile

There you go.

Casual Impartial Observer wrote:

Tamir Rice -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice

John Crawford -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_John_Crawford_III

Breonna Taylor -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Breonna_Taylor

Philando Castile -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile

There you go.

This is what your source lists on the first person - On November 22, 2014, Tamir Rice, a 12-year old African-American boy, was killed in Cleveland, Ohio by Timothy Loehmann, a 26-year-old white police officer. Rice was carrying a replica toy gun; Loehmann shot him almost immediately after arriving on the scene.

Casual Impartial Observer wrote:

Tamir Rice -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice

John Crawford -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_John_Crawford_III

Breonna Taylor -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Breonna_Taylor

Philando Castile -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile

There you go.

Your second example - The shooting of John Crawford III occurred on August 5, 2014. Crawford was a 22-year-old African-American man shot and killed by a police officer in a Walmart store in Beavercreek, Ohio, near Dayton, while he was holding a BB gun

And that doesn't strike you as extremely poor policing. To shoot a 12 year old who was reported to have a toy gun. Weird.

Casual Impartial Observer wrote:

Tamir Rice -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice

John Crawford -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_John_Crawford_III

Breonna Taylor -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Breonna_Taylor

Philando Castile -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile

There you go.

Your third example involves both drugs AND a gun

Breonna Taylor, a 26-year-old African-American emergency medical technician, was fatally shot by Louisville Metro Police Department (LMPD) officers on March 13, 2020. Three plainclothes LMPD officers executing a no-knock search warrant entered her apartment in Louisville, Kentucky. Gunfire was exchanged between Taylor's boyfriend Kenneth Walker and the officers. Walker said he believed that the officers were intruders. The LMPD officers fired over twenty shots. Taylor was shot eight times[1] and LMPD Sergeant Jonathan Mattingly was injured by gunfire.[2] Another police officer and an LMPD lieutenant were on the scene when the warrant was executed.[3]

The primary targets of the LMPD investigation were Jamarcus Glover and Adrian Walker who were suspected of selling controlled substances from a drug house more than 10 miles (16 km) away.[4][5] Glover had a prior relationship with Taylor.[5] The search warrant included Taylor's residence because it was suspected that Glover received packages containing drugs at Taylor's apartment and because a car registered to Taylor had been seen parked on several occasions in front of Glover's house.[5

open your eyes wrote:

your parents wrote:

Arbery didn't resist arrest.

I know that at least a couple of them would have been alive, same as Tamir Rice, John Crawford, Breonna Taylor, and Philando Castile were it not for encountering inexcusably terrible police offers.

I missed the part of the Ahmaud Arbery video where he explained why he was trespassing when confronted by the neighbors, and you must have missed the part where he charged a guy holding a shotgun and tried to wrestle it away from him? I'm not familiar with the others, but most seem to be gun/drug/alcohol and resisting arrest related. Is there one that you listed that that isn't the case?

What they ALL have in common is criminally incompetent police. That's the most prevalent link.

Casual Impartial Observer wrote:

Tamir Rice -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice

John Crawford -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_John_Crawford_III

Breonna Taylor -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Breonna_Taylor

Philando Castile -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile

There you go.

Your last guy also had a gun - do you have any cases where guns/alcohol/drugs or resisting arrest AREN'T involved? That was what I was talking about...ALL these issues have common themes besides "poor policing"

open your eyes wrote:

Your last guy also had a gun - do you have any cases where guns/alcohol/drugs or resisting arrest AREN'T involved? That was what I was talking about...ALL these issues have common themes besides "poor policing"

That's incorrect. The only one that is true across all cases is pool policing. There is not a single other factoid that is common among them all besides that (well, and the victims being black).

your parents wrote:

And that doesn't strike you as extremely poor policing. To shoot a 12 year old who was reported to have a toy gun. Weird.

I haven't seen how the situation went down, but it seems like extremely poor parenting to allow a 12 year to play outside with a toy gun that looks way too close to a real gun and apparently others felt the same way and called the police about this.