Possibly permanent damage after COVID

I've been feeling perfectly fine this whole time.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

It's like people are just learning there are things in this world that can make them sick or die. The level of shoddy journalism to generate clicks has been insane. Just playing into people's fears with no social responsibility to present real evidence or perspective.

I completely agree with you. The whole charade has been totally ridiculous.

Seriously mate? wrote:

Even at maximal exercise one only uses about 70% of lung capacity. We have about a 30% reserve. So greater than 30% of one's lungs would need to be damaged to start having effects on exercise. That is some fairly significant lung damage.

If you only use 70% of your max capacity, then if you lost 20%, your max capacity would now be 56% of your original max capacity (0.8*0.7).

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Did people not realize their were viruses circulating that could do lasting damage to healthy individuals before Covid came along. It's like people are just learning there are things in this world that can make them sick or die. The level of shoddy journalism to generate clicks has been insane. Just playing into people's fears with no social responsibility to present real evidence or perspective.

In the other viruses, there isn't a concerted effort by brainless conspiracy-loving dopes to ignore science and reality and scream "NOTHING TO SEE HERE." These stories wouldn't be necessary if there weren't so many goofs insisting that COVID-19 is completely harmless.

In other words, these stories exist because you do.

not banned wrote:

Piano_Man87 wrote:

Who cares about health issues if you are still able to work?

Capitalism wins again!

You don’t seem to understand that for some people(like me!) work is a necessity. I would go to work sick every single day, not out of some I’ll conceived pride of the working man, but because I NEED TO MAKE MONEY

There are other ways to make money then working a 9-5 job.

I agree. I’ve been hearing this for months!

When nfl players have this very same concern, you know people are paying attention. Some professional football players don’t want to play a season yet because they’ve heard about the lasting health effects = their livelihoods.

Do some research and you’ll learn we all should really be trying hard not to get this disease unless you don’t care about future health. Dying isn’t my worry.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

Lasting health problems may exist for people with "mild" cases.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/06/coronavirus-covid-19-mild-symptoms-who

Did people not realize their were viruses circulating that could do lasting damage to healthy individuals before Covid came along. It's like people are just learning there are things in this world that can make them sick or die. The level of shoddy journalism to generate clicks has been insane. Just playing into people's fears with no social responsibility to present real evidence or perspective.

Why are you dumb?

In this argument, there seem to be 2 very extreme perspectives: Folk who think it's only 80 year old grandad in care homes who need to worry, and folks who think the world is ending. Obviously, both are wrong.

However, even the greatest 'fearmongerer' has to admit that the disease isn't as scary as we initially believed. Most of us probably don't know anyone who's been seriously ill with covid, and for those who do it was likely someone who wasn't in the best state of health to begin with.

I did read somewhere that 99.3% of deaths are from folks with underlying conditions, and the average age of death is 82. Whether those numbers are accurate I don't know.

We've also heard a few stories of 'younger' seemingly healthy folks struggling with the disease. It's obviously rare, but can happen.

However, I think this whole fear of 'permanent damage' is laughable. These people suffering lingering symptoms are those who were brought to the brink of death by the disease, they are not people who had a slight cough for a couple of days. If you were weakened to the point where you were in hospital dying, OF COURSE you'll still be struggling for months afterwards! Do you really think you'll be discharged one day and be 100% fine then next? Your body needs time to recover! If you broke your leg and missed 6 months of training, you wouldn't run a 14 minute 5k the day you return!

If you catch COVID and it gives you a cough, then yes, you may experience a period of weeks or a couple of months where you're not at your full fitness. For some it will surely be longer than others. But the human body is incredible, it can repair itself! And it will! Just give it time and don't expect to be running PB's the month after you make a comeback.

Massachusetts has been slowly coming out of lockdown.

I predict that some time soon we will be pushed back in.

Two questions.

How soon before we get pushed back to lock-down?

What reason will we be given. Or reasons.

My best guesses.

We will begin being fed media reports before the end of July that the numbers and trends are going in the wrong direction. Before the end of July.

While some "freedoms" will be taken away in August, serious lock-down will not be enforced until the summer is over.

Reasons we are given. Three. An unexplained second wave....it never went away yet it returns. Two -- it's out fault. We did not follow the social distance and mask rules well enough. Three -- maybe they will blame it on tourists from outside the state visiting in the summer and bringing it with them -- The Boston Globe already raised this as a possibility a couple of weeks ago.

Anyone else have any ideas on this?

I think many of the points you make are fair and show correct context. But, in the case of COVID or COVID-like illnesses, there is currently a large group of people (estimates are 5 to 10%) who had initial mild symptoms and typically never were hospitalized, yet continue to have lung and heart issues months later. (I am one of those people and a runner who currently can't run, btw, without a relapse of shortness of breath, lung soreness and chest pain). So, yes, you are correct that the body is amazing and these ailments should eventually clear up. But there are some chronic conditions which originate from viral illnesses that have a lot of people rightly concerned with these developments.

If you want to learn more, google COVID and long haulers and you'll find more stories/coverage of everyday people of all types struggling right now.

Some people will never take this seriously no matter the evidence against it. They will see what they want to see. They'll find one 4-leaf clover and declare all the ones with three leaves can be ignored because the oddball clover is proof the clovers have four leaves.

Significant (and possibly permanent) lung damage is being reported even in asymptotic individuals

Giles Corey wrote:

Some people will never take this seriously no matter the evidence against it.

That's the point. All the evidence is against it.

Ponce de Leon wrote:

Significant (and possibly permanent) lung damage is being reported even in asymptotic individuals

Yeah, how stupid is that.

Fake damage is being reported, by something that's never been proven to exist.

Ponce de Leon wrote:

Significant (and possibly permanent) lung damage is being reported even in asymptotic individuals

Another example of the fake reporting: "Healthy people who have no symptoms,

i.e. no lung damage or anything, have significant lung damage."

There are none so blind, as those who refuse to see what's right in front of them.

dunes runner wrote:

There are none so blind, as those who refuse to see what's right in front of them.

You mean like a pandemic?

Like people who are too dense to comprehend what's reality and what isn't.

A fake pandemic based on a virus not proven to exist and obviously false reports is not reality.

I'm beginning to think a lot of posters on this site have had covid-19.