Amazing news re Covid-19. The virus has lost its potency in Italy. "In reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy"

Precious Roy wrote:

The only problem is that there is no scientific evidence to back this claim. More than likely, all they are seeing is that the severity of the virus is linked to the amount of viral load people are exposed to. Social distancing has succeeded in reducing the amount of the virus people are being exposed to such that people testing positive now are encountering a much smaller amount of virus. But even that very logical hypothesis that is consistent with prior experience with SARS, etc. is yet to be supported by science.

So, if you want to keep the confirmation bias machine churning, take your chloroquine and go clubbing tonight. But, if you care about your health and the health of society at large, keep up the social distancing until the scientists have actually studied this.

Correct that there is no scientific evidence to back up the claim.

BUT, your (bolded) hypothesis is absurd to the point of being ridiculous.

“According to Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, the country’s mortality rate is far higher due to demographics – the nation has the second oldest population worldwide – and the manner in which hospitals record deaths.

‘The age of our patients in hospitals is substantially older – the median is 67, while in China it was 46,’ Prof Ricciardi says. ‘So essentially the age distribution of our patients is squeezed to an older age and this is substantial in increasing the lethality.

But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.

‘The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three,’ he says.”

For Italy:

- Mean age of patients dying for SARS-CoV-2 infection was 80 years;

- Mean number of diseases- comorbidities- was 3.3;

- Of those who died in the under 40 age group only 14 individuals out of 31,851 had no major pathologies= 0.0439%

Hardly pandemic numbers.

Italy is one of the best case studies as there is good data on their excess mortality rates over the last 10 years- what we have seen this year is not an aberration to those familiar with that data.

"You are smarter then you think."

Just because there is grammer (sic) mistake doesn't have anything to do with being "smart". If fact you should look at content of what is being said and not how well someone speaks to know what's right.

There is no second wave moron

jbo14 wrote:

There is no second wave moron

The second wave will be the Bill Gates depopulation vaccination deaths, which they will try to blame on a virus.

If anyone is actually interested in learning what is going on with the virus, you should listen to a podcast called This Week in Virology. A few virologists and sometimes doctors discuss the latest in published research, popular media stories, clinical results, etc. Often it gets pretty technical but generally it is OK to follow for non-scientists. These guys have been doing this podcast for years, and with C19 there is a whole new interest in it.

You can learn that the virus has not mutated enough for there to be different strains causing a different severity of illness, why scientists think that the idea that it was created in a lab is ridiculous, how early treatment protocols US doctors learned from Chinese doctors were wrong and how they have now changed basic treatment, what clinicians are seeing regarding symptoms of different populations, what potential treatments are working and which are not, etc.

Very science based, fact based, and apolitical.

Rojo,

Take a look a this:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who-transmission/who-and-other-experts-say-no-evidence-of-covid-19-losing-potency-idUSKBN23832J

Read through this twitter thread. It'll help you navigate through unverified sources in the future:

https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1267576233631469568

Don't take the bait people (Especially if it is from ONE person).

The WHO also doesn't think travel restrictions are effective. So you never know what's good information, even from the "top" medical sources.

The difference is your post implied the pandemic was fake and completely solved worldwide.

Rojo’s post is more accurate because the article is about covid in ITALY.

He's a troll just ignore him.

This seems a lot like the chloroquine episode. One European doctor shouts "Eureka!" and everyone thinks the pandemic is over.

I'll say the same thing about this that I said about chloroquine. I hope it's true, but I'll wait for the conclusion of more scientifically rigorous studies.

Finally great news, hope it will finish soon

Fat hurts wrote:

This seems a lot like the chloroquine episode. One European doctor shouts "Eureka!" and everyone thinks the pandemic is over.

I'll say the same thing about this that I said about chloroquine. I hope it's true, but I'll wait for the conclusion of more scientifically rigorous studies.

We've got friends in Italy (Rome, Naples and a couple other lesser known places). On the weekend some of them went downtown Rome to take in a bit of shopping. We did the same here in Belgium; we drove to Ghent, a beautiful, tourist-popular town, to have a bit of a break from our own town. They found the same thing downtown Rome as we found in Ghent: way less busy than usual, and a bit crowded on the shopping streets (Via del Corso in Rome). We have pictures of them by the Spanish Steps, Trevi Fountain and Colosseum with barely anybody else around.

Word from our ex-pat friends in Rome is that even though things are starting to open back up, so far people (Italians) are being super cautious.

This week they open the borders back up for tourism. I hope that doesn't turn out to be a bad decision.

Precious Roy wrote:

The only problem is that there is no scientific evidence to back this claim. More than likely, all they are seeing is that the severity of the virus is linked to the amount of viral load people are exposed to. Social distancing has succeeded in reducing the amount of the virus people are being exposed to such that people testing positive now are encountering a much smaller amount of virus. But even that very logical hypothesis that is consistent with prior experience with SARS, etc. is yet to be supported by science.

So, if you want to keep the confirmation bias machine churning, take your chloroquine and go clubbing tonight. But, if you care about your health and the health of society at large, keep up the social distancing until the scientists have actually studied this.

https://www.newsweek.com/italian-doctors-claim-coronavirus-getting-weaker-questioned-experts-1507843

first intelligent person I've ever seen on here

JacobCl86 wrote:

Finally great news, hope it will finish soon

As soon as you believe that it is, then it will be.

Fat hurts wrote:

This seems a lot like the chloroquine episode. One European doctor shouts "Eureka!" and everyone thinks the pandemic is over.

I'll say the same thing about this that I said about chloroquine. I hope it's true, but I'll wait for the conclusion of more scientifically rigorous studies.

Don't bother hoping it's true. It's already been debunked. See the links above.

seattle prattle wrote:

I have to re-post something so asinine, but here goes

Thanks again libs wrote:

It was the plan until a bunch of rioters spread the virus around the city again and caused the second wave.

You seem to be confused. Rioters were not of any particular party affilitation. Peaceful demonstrators, on the other hand, may be more liberal, but that is yet to be proven. But the peaceful demonstrators, who did have very large turn outs, were largely seen to be wearing masks.

But good job trying to confuse the issue to suit your political bent (cough, cough).

Yea, why the hell are race and discrimination even political issues? The other day some guy virtually yelled in my face and asked me if I was a democrat because of my stance on a certain issue. Like come on guys, seriously?

I was just relaying what an actual scientist said in the article:

Willem van Schaik, professor of Microbiology and Infection at the University of Birmingham, U.K., told Newsweek it is difficult to assess the validity of the claims being made by Zangrillo because no scientific evidence has been published to support it.

"It is, in my opinion, unlikely that the virus itself is weakening but, if these observations from Italian hospitals are correct, I believe it is more likely caused by patients being infected with lower doses of the virus than any changed inherent property of the virus," he said.

It is highly irresponsible for LetsRun to be peddling this kind of nonsense and I would ask that you delete this thread.

This does not come from a scientific study. There are no methods or data reported. No paper that one can look at to evaluate the quality of the approach or the conclusions. Moreover, these are extraordinary claims that fly in the face of theoretical expectations for short-term viral evolution (which means that strong evidence would be required for us to believe the claims).

This kind of pseudoscience confuses people's responses to COVID-19 and will contribute to the ongoing crisis in the US. We have already had 30x as many fatalities as in 9/11, and we can expect at least another 100,000+ deaths in 2020.

This thread helps to explain why this type of work should not be considered reliable:

https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1267576234822623232